The following are comments and questions from readers of the Springfield News-Sun concerning the article titled "District reviews construction options
Northeastern school board seeks input from the community on plans for new schools". The article was written by Bridgette Outten, Staff Writer.
"After reading this I am more confused than ever. Why even put another penny into Rolling Hills? It like South Vienna is falling apart. We need to seperate the districts, Northeastern/ South Vienna.... Kenton Ridge/Northridge/ Rolling Hills. Kenton Ridge could be turned into the K-7 and if necessary and needed expand it and build a new high school. What ever we do we need to support our Children and give them descent schools.
coll
10:42 PM, 3/18/2010"
coll: thank you for your comment. So was I after reading the article. The ending of the session Thursday evening found the plan in which the district would build a 9-12 building at Kenton Ridge and one at Northeastern, and a PK-8 building at South Vienna and one at Northridge. Although, I don't know if the board will go with this plan, this plan received the most votes. There is much more I can tell you on splitting the district....suffice to say be careful what you wish for.
"Separating the district won't happen. The first two plans (Segmented plans) are a no go for me. Hard enough time now passing one levy, but with these proposals the board would come back later (maybe years) for a second levy to fund building the other schools (although would still have money from the state paying part of it). The first two plans would cost more in the long run since the cost to build schools would go up when they came back for the second levy to finish the project.
JC
10:51 PM, 3/18/2010"
JC: thank you for your comments. After reading the comments you placed, I appreciate your candor with the various comments made. As others stated, segmentation is an option that I don't support simply because the job would never get finished, and if we went via segmentation, the cost would be more in the long run then doing it all now. Also, as I stated at the work session, we are not guaranteed the money would be available when the time would come to finish the project. With the current financial state of the State of Ohio, you can bet the Governor and the Legislature is looking at this money with "hopeful eyes".
"The Ohio School Facilities Commission requirements make schools much more expensive than they need to be. They require expensive things that schools do NOT need. OSFC forces schools to build what OSFC wants instead of what a community wants. I say get smart Northeastern! Refuse OSFC funds and build what you want, one building at a time. It will be cheaper in the long run and you will have the schools you want.
Sara
10:59 PM, 3/18/2010"
Sara: thank you for your comment. Interesting point, however, I disagree. If you have been in other schools you would find they have things I didn't have when I went, however, they are technology equipment that is badly needed in today's world. The community does have input in what their schools will be like. OSFC provides the framework (and $46 million) for our schools, we would have a say in how they would look and what we want in the buildings. It would not be cheaper in the long run to build one school at a time over time due to inflation, the number of time the bond issues would have to be turned down before being passed. Which school would be the first to be built? Northridge? South Vienna? Northeastern? Rolling Hills? I'm sure the people of this district would love to make that decision at the polls.
"whatever they decide to do ... I AM VOTING NO
jim ritter
11:15 PM, 3/18/2010"
jim ritter: thank you for your comment.
"I guess if the state is putting up $41 million it can have some say in what the buildings will include. OSFC only forces schools to build to their specs if you take their free (tobacco) money. These OSFC schools are no frills schools. How could it possibly be cheaper?
RS
11:34 PM, 3/18/2010"
RS: thank you for your comment. Actually, the OSFC (please don't confuse with "the state" because that indicates tax $ to some folks) is providing $46 million in tax free money. Surprisingly, they are nice buildings (take the opportunity to go through Tecumseh buildings). Yes, we need to build to their specs, but again, it is better than we have now. Plus, if the board can have an individual who reports STRICTLY to the board, who will oversee the project and assure construction is going right, then we would get better quality buildings.
"Not using OSFC specs is much cheaper - for example OSFC requires a sprinkler system for a rural school even if there is not city water supply hook up available. That means there must be a water tower - major expense. But legally a sprinkler system is not required, not required for safety because the school is all non-flamable construction anyway. You need to get into the actual specs. Look at Tecumseh and tell me that is a bare bones school. No Way. It is a OSFC palace.
Sara
12:48 AM, 3/19/2010"
Sara: "Not using OSFC specs is much cheaper". How much? $46 million cheaper? Mark my word, sprinkler systems will be required in new homes if the state legislature has their way. There is pending legislation in the Ohio House of Representatives that will require sprinkler systems in private homes! Since schools are public buildings, I would think they would be required just to protect the public's property. I have visited Tecumseh schools. Compared to ours they are palaces, but then again it wouldn't take much to compare our buildings with new and not think they were palaces.
"Instead of using a dozen proven basic architectural plans that could be inexpensively customized and adapted, OSFC requires that each school must be designed specifically from the ground up. This OSFC requirement costs hundreds of thousands of dollars per school and lines pockets of the architects who donate heavily to keep the OSFC going strong. Frankly I don't care if our new high school looks exactly like one in Newark or Toledo. OSFC will NOT allow sharing of blueprints between districts.
Sara
12:57 AM, 3/19/2010"
Sara; fact or assumption? I am going to find out for you. Be at the board meeting this coming Thursday evening at Northeastern and I'll have the answer. I would think that OSFC would not be showing the buildings of other districts if sharing the designs would not be allowed.
"NO MEANS NO - this is not the time for building new schools because it is NOT THE TIME TO BURDEN ALREADY STRETCHED FAMILIES WITH MORE TAXES. obama beat you to it...
done with it already
6:16 AM, 3/19/2010"
done with it already: thank you for your comment. I'm not. This is not for me, it is for our future.
"((“We decided to get together and hear from you, the community,” said district Superintendent Rick Broderick. “We want to know what plans you will support.”))
Well this has been the problem all these years. Ram this stuff down the throats of the tax payer without even asking any input. How many schools in the state have built their new buildings and now find they can't afford them.
george
6:53 AM, 3/19/2010"
george: thank you for your comment. Over the past 5 years we've been working on this issue, we have ask for public input many many times. The responses have been very small. We are not "ramming" anything down the people's throat. We are simply trying to take advantage of an opportunity. I've said many times that if this opportunity from the OSFC was not available, we would not be coming to the people at this time.
"First they say ALL building must be new or they can't get the money, then they say, well OK, now we can rennovate KR high school - really? You think?? Exactly how will they now decide which way to go - are the voters going to be asked in a fashion that could be trusted or will the board say they know what the voters want, as they have always presumed in the past? Without splitting the district into two systems, it appears whatever they come up with will not pass anyway. Too little, too late.
Taxpayer"
Taxpayer; thank you for your comment. First, you are correct. It was indicated that the only way we would get funding from the OSFC was by abandoning all of our buildings. Initially, this was true especially when districts were getting 88%(Springfield City Schools), 77% (Tecumseh Local Schools), etc. I personally felt this was the only way the funds would be coming. After our plan failed in November and February, we found that there was the opportunity to renovate. Unfortunately, where do you renovate that people will support? If one gets a new building, why can't I have a new building? Renovating KR makes the most sense to everyone else but those who will be utilizing KR. Again, as I stated in a previous comment about splitting the district, be careful what you wish for. I don't know which side you reside, just be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
"I am also not understanding the change in options, when has it been said up to now that we could renovate some of the existing buildings? This is why I refuse to give any more money to the NESLD. Stop changing your story and be upfront with the taxpayers, and someday you might have a chance to pass a levy. No means no still.
no new taxes
7:55 AM, 3/19/2010"
no new taxes; thank you for your comment, The change in options was a misinterpretation of the OSFC's standards. They told us we needed to abandon all five buildings because the cost of renovation was more than 66% of the cost of rebuilding. If you are told this, what would your recommendation be? I was totally frustrated when I found that OSFC funds could be used for renovation, however, it doesn't change my view about new buildings. When you renovate a building that will cost 2/3 of the price of a new building only to have to replace the old renovated building eventually, at a higher cost, it makes sense to build new now.
"I was at the meeting last night and feel compelled to comment. In the past, I have voted both yes and no on levies at NE. There is a feel of contradiction within our community, with each side looking at the other with lines being drawn. The distrust, malicious and emotional attacks, and former lack of accountability w/in the district are hurting our children. If this can't be changed, then nothing will happen. Perhaps splitting the district is a good idea.
Split
8:37 AM, 3/19/2010"
Split: thank you for your comment. I am looking into the possibility of splitting the district, not as an emotional issue or "we versus they" issue, but on a financial issue. I will do a commentary on the subject when I get the FACTS not the feelings together. What I've found so far is "be careful what you wish for, you may get it". Suffice to say that the Ohio Department of Education and / the State Legislature may be the deciding factors as far a splitting any district. They are more into combining school districts, not splitting them into smaller entities.
"Yeah, the whole spiel all along has been that we had to build ALL new schools, or nothing. No options, no bending, no compromises.
Now they see the writing on the wall of another failed levy, so they finally change their tune. Voting no.
BeHonest
9:17 AM, 3/19/2010"
BeHonest: thank you for your comment. I explained the reason why we looked at renovation. The interpretation from the OSFC was not correct. I am not trying to be dishonest, just getting you the facts.
"Why haven't they tried to update the schools one at a time when they started getting bad? I think the voters would have passed a levy one at a time.
T Keller
10:11 AM, 3/19/2010"
T Keller: thank you for your comment. Updating schools with trying to maintain old buildings with 50's and 60's wiring, plumbing and infrastructure is difficult when it takes 4-6 times to pass levies to do so. By the time the levy gets passed, the required maintenance or upgrade has extended into a crisis situation, then people get mad because we didn't maintain the buildings. Example, Northridge, when the Health Department was going to close down the building due to the roofs leaking. What is needed, new roofs or upgrade technology? What about when South Vienna needed more rooms? It took the district having to look at split sessions in order to handle the overflow of students. What about when we had repairs at South Vienna and we had to make cuts in order to pay for the important repairs because the levy didn't get passed. If you are who I think you are, we've been through this before.
"Even if the option of two new 7-12 buildings and two new preK-6 on each side of the district, it doesn't mean that the preK-6 will be in South Vienna.
Tkeller
10:13 AM, 3/19/2010"
Tkeller: As I have said on numerous occasions, "what is best for children" was a campus environment. Keeping a building in South Vienna was not in the best interest of children, however, there is a group who feels that South Vienna would "dry up" and become a ghost town if the school would leave. Having lived in South Vienna for 23 years, I feel the town is made up of better people than that. It was a great town before the school was built. If the village would dry up and become a ghost town, it will be because of the people, not the school. HOWEVER, in response to you statement, we would keep the PK-6 building in South Vienna.
"Why didn't they re-evaluate in the first place, knowing the state of the economy? Maybe the board's economic situations are good, especially when people are double dipping now rather than bringing in new talent and ideas. I may have actually voted yes to the renovation if they had offered renovation the first time, but considering the economy really hasn't improved that much and now there is even less trust in the NESLD board, no way in heck will I ever vote yes for any plan now. No means no.
no new taxes
10:17 AM, 3/19/2010"
no new taxes: thank you for your comment. Part of the original plans (going back to the early 2000 was a lot of renovation utilizing a program whereas the OSFC would pay us the funds for the project we completed. This bond issue was rejected 5 times! When the OSFC assessed our facilities and determined that some could be renovated, we looked at 18 different scenarios of renovation and new construction. It was at this time the OSFC came back and determined that ALL of the buildings needed replaced. We had to narrow our focus on 3 plans and chose the one that was best for children's education. Now that the OSFC has said we CAN renovate, we began looking at that option, however, it is not a good option since the renovated building would need replace sooner or later at a much higher cost to the residents since they would pay for 100% of the cost.
"I've watched the School Facilities Commission work with other districts. They quickly maneuver to shut out anyone who does not want their program. OSFC has a cut throat team of market stratigists who smile and coach the districts as to what to say and how to respond. I see that a few of you are repeating the carefully scripted responses.(You get a puppy treat) Fact is they offer money Ohio no longer has to take over your district. Have an old building you love? They demand demolition.
Sara
11:49 AM, 3/19/2010"
Sara: Sorry to tell you this has not happened. I personally have talked with the OSFC and, if you know who I am, you would know I mistrust government more than anyone. If it is "too good to be true" then it usually is. I have not been "scripted" to say anything I didn't feel was in the best interest of children. No one is "taking over our district", as long as I am on the board. If you have a building you love that does not provide a good educational environment for children, then the focus of the building is wrong, in my opinion. I graduated from Northeastern. I love the building, however, it is brick and mortar. What I love about Northeastern is the people, my classmates, and the kids. They make Northeastern, not the bricks. If your building is KR, then it isn't the brick and mortar that you love...I don't think.
"I am surprised that a consolidation of the two High Schools was not considered.
John Michael
12:02 PM, 3/19/2010"
John Michael; thank you for your comment. Combining the schools was an option. It was plan #5. Only one person voted for it and he wanted to do away with sports and other curricular programs. Even in the past, the option of one high school was the least popular option.
"I live in another district and sent my kids to parochial schools. I know many people who live in the Northeastern district and most do not hesitate to spend money when it comes to athletics. I'm talking about traveling baseball & softball, AAU basketball and select soccer. Do you know how much that costs over time? 95% of your kids aren't going to get athletic scholarships so spend the money on education that will benefit your kids the rest of their lives and forget the traveling teams.
From another district
12:04 PM, 3/19/2010"
From another district: I normally do not respond to those from another district, however your comment was very true. Actually, the percentage of kids participating in high school sports is less than 2%. I do appreciate the comment you made.
"I wish the school district would respect the voter's decision. We have already said NO twice and will continue to say NO every time. You are waste valuable money putting this on the ballet again. It doesn't matter how you propose it, we will vote it down. Having a roof over my head and food on the table is more important then your new schools, that aren't needed. I can't afford more property taxes or to have my wages taxed more then they already are. KEEP VOTING NO EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!
NE Resident
12:13 PM, 3/19/2010"
NE Resident: thank you for your comment. If we didn't continue to get levies passed, we would still be holding schools at Westside, New Moorefield, Catawba, Plattsburg buildings. Our teachers would be at other districts who would support them, and our educational system would be defunct. Unfortunately, the way Ohio Schools are funded is what we have to work with. Of course at the same time, your no vote would not allow the roads or fire and emergency in your community because they rely on taxes that you would not support.
"Split the district, and then go back and ask for money at a later date as two new districts. No more of this... they got it, so we need to have it. Lets let the communities support their schools. I would bet that every area would be more willing to pass a levy if they were only supporting their local school and not the whole district. Plus 21000 dollars to put a levy up each time is just plain stupid.
Not important
1:08 PM, 3/19/2010"
Not important: thank you for your comment. Again, I want you to know that I am looking into this. What I've found so far is simply....be careful what you wish for, you may get it.
"I found our board presidents comment last night, that our community doesn't support schools as a slap in the face to all those people who do. Failure of levies are not an accurate measure of support or no support for a school district. Maybe he should of said that the board continues to ask too much of the community - maybe since he has been there for so many terms, he should wise up and realize that the community has limits on what they can give each time.
Not important
1:13 PM, 3/19/2010"
Not important: again, thank you for your comment. This response is from me, the President of the board. I'm sorry if you were offended by the truth. I don't wear any "rose colored glasses" or tell you what you want to hear. People in this community give what they set their priorities on. Since 1969 our pass/fail of levies is deplorable. That is what my supporting schools comment is based on. I know the people in this district and how they feel about certain things. There are a large number of people who won't vote for a school levy that strengthens their property values, but wouldn't give a second thought to spending large sums of money to assure their child participates in "traveling team sports" and other programs. I'm not indicating how people should spend their money, that's their choice. What I'm saying is that people need to know that their schools are important not only to their children, but to the future of the community, property values, community pride and assuring our kids get the best chance to compete in a differen society than we grew up in. Sorry to offend you.
"The state has not addressed the school funding issue. The Ohio Supreme Court FOUR times has ruled on this and the STATE still is dragging their heels. Make Widner and Hackett do their job or VOTE them OUT. Look at the attached web page it speaks for itself. The state is trying to push more onto the individual and school districts.
http://summitprogdems.org/library/i...
Don
1:43 PM, 3/19/2010"
Don: thank you for your comment. AMEN! SOMEONE FINALLY GET IT! If I had a nickel for every time I spoke about this I could buy a new school. If I had a nickel for everyone who said what you just said, I'd have 25 cents! As a Legislative Liaison for our school district, I have been to Columbus and Washington DC lobbying for educational funding many times. In addition, I have tried to get people behind me to write letters, make calls, talk with Legislators demanding the school funding system get fixed. I have been doing this since 1994 and the "beat goes on". Your message is inspiring and I would like for you to contact me through the board office at 325-7615. Maybe we can start another movement.
"State of Ohio budget is awful and the Feds will have no money to help out in the future. They are blowing it all on free health care for everyone. Building new schools is totally crazy at this point and fiscally unwise. But those at the OSFC need our money to so that they can consult, and design,( and condescend) They will keep on pushing and pushing. What is wrong with repairing and maintaining? I'd rather have a new house, but I have to repair and maintain the one I have.
Sara
3:07 PM, 3/19/2010"
Sara: I agree with what you say. What I fear is the State will take the OSFC $ and use it for the budget. Yes it would be nice to remodel, renovate our buildings, but at what point will we have to build new? At who's expense (100%)? You can renovate and remodel but you still have an old building that is not conducive to educating kids to meet tomorrow's technology. We have a "need" for new buildings. Without the "opportunity" of the OSFC funds, I can tell you we would not be putting these levies on.
"I wonder why districts like Catholic Central do perfectly well with old buildings? How in the world do they ever teach anything in Europe? Are all the buildings at Eaton new? In America the construction industry and architects have us convinced that we have to have new buildings to teach. Fact is we just need less crowded classrooms and some discipline. We need to spend as much energy supporting the educational process that we do trying to pass levies and getting new buildings built.
Sara
3:20 PM, 3/19/2010"
Sara: Parochial schools do not have to comply with the unfunded mandates of the public schools, therefore they can do what they need to. You have many thoughts, but you need to get involved and ask questions of school officials instead of commenting without getting answers.
"To from another district,
You are absolutely correct about the overemphasis of sports in the Northeastern School District. I am, however, glad to see that the course offerings have changed for the better since I was in high school over 30 years ago. More advanced classes are being offered which is vital for students as they prepare for either college or the work force. Advanced classes require up-to-date materials and equipment. Vote Yes!
Northridge parent and alum
3:45 PM, 3/19/2010"
Northridge parent and alum: thank you for your comment. Yes, we have worked to improve our course offereing, however, we are "tied" to what the Ohio Department of Education and the Legislature mandates us to. Too often, extra classes, especially in AP (Advanced Placement) classes require specialized faculty and the cost is quite high. Other times we can offer AP classes, but because the teacher may not be certified (another unfunded mandate), we cannot classify it as an AP class. We do what we can for our kids. Also, thank you for your support.
"Ohio’s historic schools are being lost at an extremely alarming rate. Since the year 2000, over 110 rural and community centered schools have been demolished, while others are abandoned.
After completing the proper studies, many school districts even find it less expensive and a better overall value to renovate existing buildings than build new schools.
More information at:
http://renovateohioschools.wordpres...
Renovate Ohio Schools
Renovate Ohio Schools
4:13 PM, 3/19/2010"
Renovate Ohio Schools: thank you for your comment. I will go to this website and look at the contents. One point I do want to make about your opening comment. "Ohio's historic schools...". the term Historic is the key word. If a building has "historic" value, the OSFC does give consideration to its renovation if the value is within certain guidelines. Since none of our buildings fit into this "historic value" guideline, we have not considered this.
"Everyone that has voted NO and is sick and tired of them putting this on the ballet again and again. Here are the phone numbers to your State Reps. Board of Elections says this is who you need to call to complain to.
Chris Widner 614-466-3700
Ross McGregor 614-466-2038
Bob Hackett 614-466-1770
Maybe if everyone calls to complain to them we can get them to realize they need to start doing their jobs. Good Luck and Keep Voting NO!
Frustrated
8:49 PM, 3/19/2010"
Frustrated; thank you for your comment. AGAIN, AMEN! SOMEONE ELSE FINALLY GETS IT!
As I mentioned to Don, please contact the board office to get hold of me. I would like to regenerate a movement to get school funding corrected. Thank you for bringing this information to the comment.
"The construction industry and the architects desperately want you to have to rebuild every couple of decades. That is why School Facilities Commission has a well trained team of managers called "consultants" to recognize anyone who is not with the plan and make sure they don't get a position of authority. Ask your district how much they have already paid "consultants" who are helping them figure out how to pass this construction levy.
Sara
9:29 PM, 3/19/2010"
Sara: please, I think you have been watching too much CNN or MSNBC and feel there is a big conspiracy going on. Get your facts!
"I've watched this happen in various districts. OSFC inspectors first tell districts how terrible all the buildings are. Then they insist that all buildings have to be replaced with totally original designs. Then they create a sense of urgency. It MUST be passed within a short time period. Savvy districts adopt more reasonable remodel and update plans. People today cannot afford to pay for even 59% of a complex of palaces. Ohio can no longer afford this.
Sara
11:58 PM, 3/19/2010"
Sara: I quit "watching" other districts, I've "talked" with other districts about their involvement with OSFC. They all agreed that it was a great opportunity. I feel the same. Since you have all the answers, I am inviting you to our Board Meeting on Thursday evening, March 25th (this coming Thursday) and give me the facts.
Saturday, March 20, 2010
Monday, March 15, 2010
response to March 15th article in News-Sun
The following are comments from the Springfield News-Sun article titled, "Northeastern board to discuss last chance at raising construction funds", written by Megan Gildow. As promised, I am responding to the comments with facts and truth. You have the option to "believe it or not". However, you also have the obligation to get the truth before making statements that jeopardize the education of children.If the comments are similar, I will respond only once.
"NELSB needs to quit beating this dead horse.school will be out soon so they should be geting contractors ready to make proper repairs
fix it
11:19 PM, 3/14/2010"
Thank you for your comment. If you have attended any of our meetings, you would know the shape of our buildings. The cost to "make the proper repairs" would be throwing good money after bad. We are making repairs as they come along. It is the large repairs that take large sums of money away from the "proper" repairs. As I have stated many times before, the board would not even consider this if the opportunity to get new facilities with someone else willing to pay part of the cost had not been given. We would have come to you for Permanent Improvement funds.
"If you just want to repair the schools, you will still need a levy to fund those repairs which would be quite significant, and no funds from the state for repairs, so the cost would be funded 100% from the community.
JC
11:31 PM, 3/14/2010"
JC: thank you for your comment. Point well taken. Likewise the cost to build new schools will be absorbed 100% by the community if we fail to get the opportunity of the OFSC money.
"NO MORE TAXES"
Taxpayer
1:20 AM, 3/15/2010
Taxpayer: thank you for your comment. Please come to the meeting on the 18th and give us your thoughts on how we can continue to operate our buildings without the property taxes. We need your suggestions.
"I see that German Township is now running their Radar units in Moorefield Township.
This is in the area of Rt. 68 North and Rt.334.
Maybe we should think about getting rid of the Deputy that is paid to work in Moorefield Township and us his payroll for the School.
Income"
Income: thank you for your comment. Don't know how much he gets paid, but if it is enough to fix our buildings, sounds like a viable alternative.
"Gee, NELSD beaten any dead horses recently? I do believe the people have spoken, actually, they have spoken twice in the last six months. Sure throw it on the ballot again, I love exercising my right to vote. I'll, again, be voting no just like the other 60% of the voters who voted.
NE Resident"
NE Resident: thank you for your comment. First, we are not throwing out the same plan. We did hear from the residents that this was not the plan they wanted. Our meeting on the 18th is for YOU to tell us what you would support. What we presented in November and February was what we felt was the best alternative for educating children with the opportunity we had for the OSFC's share of funding. On the 18th we are looking to the community to give their suggestions as to what will work for them. Hope to see you there.
"You know this would really be triple dipping - not double dipping. So let me get this right - we are still paying the PRESENT LEVY - then you will be adding TWO (2) additional charges to me if I vote for this. What DON'T you people REAALIZE - That MILLIONS OF JOBS HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE LAST 18 months AND PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING JUST TO KEEP THEIR HOMES AND FOOD ON THE TABLE. State funds or not THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS. Repairs - tho costly are still cheaper.
fed up with waste and neglect
6:05 AM, 3/15/2010"
fed up with waste and neglect: thank you for your comment. The present levy, a 1 mill continuous permanent improvement levy was voted on in order to become eligible for the OSFC's share of the funds for new facilities. I don't understand the "triple dipping" comment. We are not going to put 2 levies on the ballot. We can no longer put an income tax on the ballot due to the law. Yes, us people do realize the state of the economy, but even when the economy was strong, the people voted down levies. Repairing our current facilities will continue, however, at what point do we stop throwing good money after bad facilities? Please come to the meeting on the 18th of March and help us work through this. We can all be part of the solution or part of the problem.
"You ask is it really that much more money? Yes it is. When you already have the highest tax rate in the county, when there are more people laid off then in th 1970's, when so money homes are already in trouble. I work for a bank and a lot of and I mean a lot of folks have filed for a modification to their mortage as they can't affored to pay the amount orginally agreed upon due to the economy. So if you put more taxes on them, what do they do? No more modifications will be allowed.
Cindy
6:12 AM, 3/15/2010"
Cindy: thank you for your comment. First, we do not have the highest tax rate in the county. Please update yourself on the Clark County Auditor's office website. They will show you that Northeastern Local School District is not the highest. Again, I emphasize that this is an opportunity for someone to help pay for new schools. I agree that it is probably the worst time, but we have no choice in the timing.
"I have a college degree, and I've had no trouble at all finding work. Of course it's hard to find a job when you have no college experience. If it's really that much money maybe you should live somewhere else? I'm sure Springfield city has lower taxes. All of these people say they don't have any money, but I'm sure they can afford their cigarettes and alcohol...where are the priorities?
Marie
6:24 AM, 3/15/2010"
Marie: thank you for your comment. My only comment is that people have choices and can exercise their choice. Everyone has their priorities.
"Moorefield township does not have the highest tax rate in the county. Check your facts on the auditor site. Yes, we are all hurting, but it will cost less than $30 a month to have brand new schools. Bet if your kid asked to take music lessons or sports coaching at $30 a month - most of you wouldn't think twice. I remember my niece eating lunch in the hallway at Northridge 20 years ago. You cannot compare 40 year old schools to 40 year old houses unless hundreds of people use your house.
tacomom
6:32 AM, 3/15/2010"
tacomom: thank you for your comment. We have 3758 kids going through our buildings daily. For the buildings of South Vienna (895), Northridge (1002), Northeastern (532), Rolling Hills (580), Kenton Ridge (749). That's a lot of flushing, washing, opening and closing doors, etc. After 40 minutes any home with this kind of usage would be in need of repairs, maintenance and upgrade.
"Guess What ! having a new school does not give you a better education, Look at the facts, It is only if you want a better education, Put the importance back on the home life, not the building that takes the kids in for hours each day, I did without , so the kids today can do without, nothing wrong with that, Still got an education, still support my family, I will vote no for this as many times as it comes on the ballot , as I feel it is a WASTE OF MONEY
lived in NE for 30 yrs
6:55 AM, 3/15/2010"
lived in NE for 30 years: thank you for your comment. I've lived in this district for 58 years. When I graduated from NEHS in 1965, a basic education was sufficient to get a job anywhere. But that was then. This is now. The economy is different, laws are different, people are different and society is different. Buildings with technology do make better education for kids than the "one-room" school house of yesterday. We all did without, but we also want a better life and future for our kids. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts at our meeting on the 18th. at Northeastern High School. It starts at 6 PM.
"When will the school board listen to the majority of the voters we don't want you to use the states money for schools. Look at Springfield Local and Northwestern after accepting those funds. Back to the voters hat in hand. NEHS was built without any debt. Most of the homeowners who live in the district are either retired or financially strapped. No new school taxes!!
3 generations @ NEHS"
3 generations @ NEHS: thank you for your comment. I cannot respond to how building NEHS was funded. First, this is not the "states" money. It is money from the Tobacco Settlement that was given to the states for their use. Ohio opted to use the money to build new schools. There is no tax dollars used from the OSFC. Secondly, Springfield Local is now Clark-Shawnee who has not been eligible for the OSFC funding (you probably mean Springfield City Schools). Unfortunately, school districts in Ohio have no other recourse but to go to the voters for new schools. This is the way schools are funded in Ohio.
"I'm really getting tired of the NE school board! Again, NO, NO, NO! Also, everyone in the school district is not as dumb as you think. You keep harping on the fact that the state is going to pay 41% of the cost. Where does the state money come from? Answer, from the taxpayers. So the local taxpayer is actually paying 100% of the cost!
Paul
7:51 AM, 3/15/2010"
Paul: thank you for your comment. First, the money from the OSFC is not taxpayer money. If you would do your research or ask the people who know, you would find out that the money is from the tobacco settlement that was awarded to each state. Ohio opted to use the funds to build new schools. It is not taxpayer money. If we fail to take advantage of this we will have to fund 100% of the cost. Your choice.
"Funding for new schools needs to go away from the property owners.Some districts in Ohio did just that, they imposed a income tax.
buckeye
7:51 AM, 3/15/2010"
buckeye: thank you for your comment. I've always felt funding an education in Ohio by using property tax is not only stupid, but it is unconstitutional. I have fought to get this changed for the past 16 years, only to fall on deaf ears at the State House. I feel an income tax would not be the way to go because it eliminates those retired people who enjoy the benefits of strong property values as a result of good schools. This is also not fair to those who work. In order to fund the local portion of our budget in the district, it would take a very large income tax which would not be popular and would get voted down very quickly.
"I wander if we all shouldn't meet in the middle on this. Is it really necessary to build 6 new buildings? How about building 2 new high schools and 2 new middle schools and then use the current middle schools as elemenatary schools. There has to be a middle ground that we all can meet on.
HMMMM
7:52 AM, 3/15/2010"
HMMM: thank you for your comment. This is the purpose of the meeting on the 18th. We are not putting the plan back on the ballot. We are trying to find some common ground that the public will agree with. Please come to the meeting and voice your suggestion. Hopefully it will be the one that works.
"marie, tacomom & all supporters of NESD tax levies.
as i have said many times the word is DONATE
you bunch of tightwads with children in school
DONATE!!!
If all parents would DONATE $500.00 per child there
would be no need to depend tax levies.
Now get in there and "DONATE" or are you planing to
rely on us to pay for your child's College also???
DONATE
8:18 AM, 3/15/2010"
DONATE: thank you for your comment. Let's look at a $500 donation from the parents in the district. We know there are 3758 kids in the district. If parents donated $500 per child, the total would be $1,879,000. Our budget is approximately $30,000,000 of which 49% comes from the state and 1% from the federal government. This means that $15 million would be needed to meet the local share. In that case the parents would need to donate $3992.00 for each child. However, everyone in the district would be able to take advantage of the strong property values that comes with good schools. Is this fair? I think not.
"I want to know why the school district can keep putting a levy back on the ballot after the voters have already said no. Just because they are not happy with the out come. If a levy passed and the tax payers weren't happy with that, can they put the issue back on the ballot to have it revoked. I doubt it! So why is the school district allowed to keep putting the issue before the voters? It is a waste of our money. They need to respect the voter’s decision and move on. NO MORE TAXES!!!!!!!!
Sam
8:19 AM, 3/15/2010"
Sam: thank you for your comment. If you go to the website for the district and find the list of ballot issues the district has put on the ballot since 1969, you would find that in May of 2003 the district had a 4.3853 mill bond issue which it withdrew from the ballot. So yes, we can do it. If the board of education backed down every time a ballot was voted down, our buildings, our educational system and our schools would be in shambles, your property values would be very poor, and the future of our children would be dismal. We are looking at a different plan, but need the input of people in the district, like you, to help us. Looking forward to your input at our meeting on the 18th of March.
"One High School, one community. Look at Tecumseh H.S. and Springfield High School. Why does the board think we need two high schools that just plain out of the question. Build one elementary & midddle school in South Vienna and convert and remodel K.R. into an elementary and middle school. And build one nice high school.......
N.E.L.S.D. Resident
8:27 AM, 3/15/2010"
N.E.L.S.D. Resident: thank you for your comment. One high school was an option that the vast majority of the public did not agree on, otherwise we would have put this on the ballot. We are looking for new ideas. Please come to the meeting on the 18th and give us your thoughts on what you feel will be a solution.
"They let in all these open enrollment kids - WHO LIVE IN OTHER DISTRICTS - then they cry because they got no place to put them. Kick them out!
No
8:38 AM, 3/15/2010"
NO: thank you for your comment. Open enrollment is a money issue. We do not bring kids in because it is overcrowded. We bring them in for the following reasons. (1) we have kids who leave our district to go to other districts for whatever reason. Every time a child leaves the district we lose $5780. We need to compensate for the loss. (2). We bring in kids and put them in classes where space is available. With each kid, we get $5780 which is used to hire teachers without using your tax funds! Currently we have 117 kids leaving the district and taking with them $676,000. We are bringing in 211 kids for a total of $1,220,000. The additional kids are placed in classes that have space available without overcrowding a class. The difference between what we lost and what we gained, $544,000 is used to hire 10 teachers without getting into your share of the local funding! Saying NO to open enrollment would mean that we would lose the 10 teachers that cost you nothing plus an additional 14 teachers caused by the kids currently going out of the district.
"This is a great source of entertainment and shouldn't be. Other citizens paid taxes for your public education, your parents public education and your grandparents public education....it's just the way it works. Go to the meeting and add your input-after all that is what the meeting is about. If you don't go and something doesn't go your way, then don't complain!
pepper
9:05 AM, 3/15/2010"
pepper: thank you for your comment. Nothing to add. Well said.
"The 41% is not taxpayer money, it's tobacco settlement money. Q&A from the OSFC website:
Where does the OSFC get its money?
The commission manages money appropriated by the legislature. Originally, it received money from the state budget, but right now, 100% of the money is coming from the tobacco securitization money.
Millions will go to school districts. NE voters are fools if they don't take it - the district where I teach are really enjoying our new buildings!
Not so local teacher"
Not so local teacher: thank you for your comment. How have your property values been effected?
"Open enrollment is not the problem.Kids leave this district to go to schools in other districts. The money follows the kids. A little over $5000 per kid is what you lose when a child goes to a school in another district. I think they said at the last board meeting about 100-120 kids leave the school district. That's about $500,000 -$600,000 lost to the district if you don't accept kids from other districts. The only way it works your way is if you get rid of open enrollment for every district.
JC
9:46 AM, 3/15/2010"
JC: thank you for your comment. You are correct. Don't forget about the 10 teachers we hire because of Open Enrollment kids that is not paid by our tax payers, but be concerned about the 14 additional teachers we would lose if we stopped open enrollment.
"Enough is enough. Money is tight. Does any one have any idea how much the district has spent trying to get there way. Great thing to teach our children complain until you get your way. The idea of closing one of the high schools and going to just one, is absurd if the buildings are so full now how is that going to solve any problems, oh wait, so in another year you can complain about being soooo full. Give me a break. Building new schools is not going to improve education.
NE RESIDENT for 50 years"
NE RESIDENT: Thank you for your comment. I can meet you half way on this. New schools will allow us the technology that we currently cannot provide because of the electrical infrastructure and the quality of air in the buildings. Put our quality teachers in facilities with good technology and see what can be produced. Yes, money is tight, but doing nothing is not benefiting our children and their future. I personally am thinking more of them than myself.
"I'm so sick of hearing about this. Enough is enough already! It was voted on twice and both times it failed. Get over it! Repair it and go on. Are you really going to bull doze your home because it has some issues? And don't tell me it is so horrible to sit in the school. Not so long ago I was there and I survived. These students are spoiled brats these days. I've been to some of their homes and I must say, the school looks like the Hilton. Look at Brookside trailor's!
NO!
9:54 AM, 3/15/2010"
NO! thank you for your comment. The plan we put on in November and February will not be put on again. We are wanting the people to give their input on what they find reasonable. If doing nothing and putting money into our current buildings is their disire, then this is what the board will do. I disagree with that process, however, the public is the ones I report to. In todays global market and economy, it is no longer enough to "survive". We must let our kids become competitive. We can't do that in our current buildings.
"I suppose that all of you will blame the school board for reduced test scores and your children not succeeding when we are unable to recruit or keep the greatly talented educators we now have. I hear many people talking about how it was good enough for them, so it is good enough for their kids. Do your kids have cell phones, video games, cars, etc.? Yes. Did you? For many the answer is no, so that argument just doesn't hold up. Invest in the future, show your kids you want better for them.
nelsdsupporter
9:58 AM, 3/15/2010"
nelsdsupporter: thank you for your comment. Good point.
"Please don't post if you are ignorant of the issue at hand, which is most of the people posting on here. Please do your research, start attending board meetings, and being INVOLVED in the school district. These kids are the future. Please don't punish their quality of education just because you do not agree with what the board does. I do not agree with what the board does, but I went to meetings and spoke up about it. And I was a student. Voice your opinion at the meetings.
HB
10:02 AM, 3/15/2010"
HB: thank you for your comment. As a student, I am proud that you speak up and share your thoughts even though we may no agree. The best argument is one in which both sides are aware of the issues and the facts surrounding the issues.
"I have given my concerns to a board member. The response was that I just didn't understand the issues. The issue is this levy and income tax is set for 37 years. Mark my words, once the the new buildings are built an operational levy will be added to maintain the new schools. Over 37 years I will end up paying an additional $35,000.00 to my exsisting tax liability and I'll be 90 years old. Drop the income tax and combine the schools! My wife and I work hard, but I am running out of money!
pauly
10:19 AM, 3/15/2010"
pauly: thanks for your comment. For the cost of our new buildings, under the previous plan, the cost for a $100,000 home would be approximatley $330.00 plus an additional $100 income tax. Over the course of 37 years the cost would be $15,910 if you lived in a $100,000 home and your income was $40,000 annually. However, the amount of property tax would decrease as more people moved into the district as the cost would be shared by more people. When you don't understand the issues, it is time to start asking questions about the issues.
"The board really needs to let go of the phrase "Two Campuses one Community". This has lead to a single minded way of thinking. If the board would distance themselves from the catchy little slogan maybe they could put all of their little pea brains together and come up with a plan that will please the majority. The majority does not seemed to be for the 2 campus idea...come up with a plan that works, its what you are paid for.
Marcia
10:35 AM, 3/15/2010"
Marcia: thank you for your comment. You are correct! That's what the meeting on the 18th is about. We want you to help those of us with "little pea brains" come up with an option that you will accept. Hope to see you there.
"Pauly is correct about the operational levy coming at us next, as it is a question I asked at one of the meetings a few months back. Mr. Broderick (sp) answered me honestly saying that "of course they would need to pass an operation levy" but he assured me that they would not try to do this until "at least 2 years after this bond passes" because he was aware that there was "no way voters would be ready to pass the operational levy so soon after the bond". Rather deceptive, don't you think?
The rest of the story
10:44 AM, 3/15/2010"
The rest of the story: thank you for your comment. Nothing about deception with Mr. Broderick's statement. Yes, due to many factors such as inflation (cost of goods and services rising) and increased cost of operating our buildings, yes, we would be coming back in a couple of years. Nothing deceptive about it. Personally, it is better than a Permanent Improvement levy to continue putting money into the buildings we have, only to have to close one or two due to some catastrophic problem and having to build new in 4 or 5 years. But that is the voter's choice.
"HB, I went to one of the meetings where you submitted questions on a piece of paper!! Then somebody CHOSE which questions on those pieces of paper would be answered. That's free speech? That's open discussion? They don't want to hear anything they don't agree with. I'm sick of the whole thing - NO MEANS NO. Fix what we have and move forward. I'm not committing my grandkids to pay for something YOU want but don't need. You can learn anywhere if there are good teachers.
NS
10:45 AM, 3/15/2010"
NS: thank you for your comment. First, I am the one who "CHOSE" which question to be asked. I guarantee you that I am not selective, nor do I not allow anyone to speak. If there are similar comments on the same subject, I ask the individual if they have anything different to add to the issue. If they don't then, for the sake of time, ther is no reason for them to say the same thing. This is free speech at its best and definately an open forum. Be sure to fill out your blue sheet when you come to the meeting on the 18th. Let me know who you are and you'll be the first to speak.
"To NO!: I wouldn't bulldoze my home to build a new one; Darn right I'd repair it. However, you tell my you are going pay for half of a new home? I'd be revving that diesel engine this morning and taking the first run at it!
You are being offered FREE MONEY for new buildings!! Take it and run!!!
stan
10:48 AM, 3/15/2010"
stan: thank you for your comment. I agree. If someone was offering me 41% of the cost of a new home, I would find a way to pay for it. Anyway, the value would be more than I had in the home.
"LMAO! How is it "free money" when you have your taxes raised? My home is over 200,000 dollars. That's a big increase for me. Are you exempt?
NO!
11:07 AM, 3/15/2010"
NO!: thank you for your comment. What is "free money" is the 41% of the cost of the buildings. Using the figures from the November plan, the cost of the buildings amounted to $111,000,000.00 of which 46,000,000 was coming the OSFC tobacco settlement funds. These are tax free funds.
"REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS BEING BUILT AND I MIGHT VOTE ON IT.ONE LARGE HIGH SCHOOL. ONE LARGE MIDDLE SCHOOL WITH GRADE SCHOOL KIDS.
CAROL MCNEIL
11:13 AM, 3/15/2010"
Carol McNeil: thank you for your comment. I will present this plan as an option. I don't agree that this is what is best for kids, however, it is a viable option that may work. I hope you get the opportunity to come to the meeting on the 18th and present this option.
"So after reading these comments I have come to the conclusion that NELSD is nothing more than a low income housing area now. How sad. It was nice to know that at one time they were the place to live. Aparently not now. Too many low income people with no potential for growth. I say don't waste your money updating your home as no one is going to buy it. Would you if you had kids. Maybe it is ok for a senior citizen area but not familes. Who knew.
basketball fand
11:17 AM, 3/15/2010"
basketball fand: thank you for your comment. As a resident of this district I hava always believed this was the best place to live, raise and educate children, and I'm certain you do to. It is unfortunate that we are having these difficulties, especially with those who are uninformed, misinformed or "don't want to be informed".
"They are right about coming at you for an operational levy soon after passing this one. Just look across the county at NW, who didn't even wait 6 months to come back for more.
TEA
11:18 AM, 3/15/2010"
TEA: thank you for your comment. We have never denied that we would not be coming with an operational levy. As Mr. Broderick stated, it will be in a couple of years only due to inflation and operational cost in the district. It will be an operational levy that you, as a resident, will have the option to vote for or against.
"People with jobs and college degrees will NOT want to move into the Northeastern Local School District if the public schools are not supported by the taxpayers. Educational requirements for children are only going to increase in the coming years with the adoption of the National Standards. The graduation requirements for my generation were MEAGER compared to what my child must do. And those that come later will only have to learn more. And you want this to happen in substandard buildings?
Northeastern Local Resident
12:54 PM, 3/15/2010"
Northeastern Local Resident: thank you for your comment. I totally agree with your message. Our schools are representative of our community and they determine the value of our property. People have moved into our district because of our schools. We need to make our schools stronger, simply because of what you stated about the standards that are coming. I never thought about my education being meager until I compared it to the requirements our children must meet today. Personally, I have a college degree, however, I don't know if I can meet the requirements of todays education standards. Thank you.
"ARE YOU KIDDING ME THESE SMART AND COLLEGE DEGREE PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS AGAIN. TO THE PERSON THAT SAID SMART COLLEGE DEGREE PEOPLE WON'T MOVE IN THE AREA IF WE DON'T PASS THE LEVY. LADY IT IS NOT ABOUT EDUCATION,IT IS ABOUT AFFORDABLTY. WHEN YOU TAXES ARE ALREADY HIGH, WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE TO MAKE THEM HIGHER.
NOBODY WILL MOVE INTO AN AREA IF THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE TAXES.
LARRY
1:04 PM, 3/15/2010"
LARRY: Thank you for your comment. Sorry to say, it is about need and opportunity. As I stated before, we would not be doing this if the opportunity was not available. It is never an issue of affordibility. If it was, we wouldn't vote for road levies, emergency levies, MRDD levies, upcoming library levies. It only school levies that people reject. This doesn't make sense when it is the schools that effect one's property values. People don't move into a community because of good roads or good fire departments...it is because of good schools and strong property values.
"How did we get 2 High Schools? The people in NR wanted it that way. If you have attended any of the Board Meetings, you would know that 1 super high school, 1 super middle school, and 1 super elementary, is contrary to the State Plan for smaller schools. It would also cost more to operate because we would need more teachers. And since the school would be in the center of the district, it would require more Buses, and transportation cost would at least double, It's not realistic.
NE GRAD 2
1:17 PM, 3/15/2010"
NE GRAD 2: thank you for your comment. Also don't forget, one big high school would cause more disciplinary problems. The number of teachers would not decrease because the number of teachers is directly related to the number of students. Likewise for administrators and many staff personnel. Also, we would have to buy a large portion of land for the buildings. In addition, athletic facilities, which we already have, would need to be rebuilt - not with board funds - but just like the ones we already have, by the public. I personally do not support one big high school
"Additionally, everybody says it is for the kids. This fact will happen, the 1 school concept, will keep a bunch of the kids out of sports, band, choir, drama club, and plays, because there will be to many to allow everyone to participate. So this means everyone will have to tryout, and ALL STUDENTS who try out, win NOT get to participate. So now we will have more kids on the street getting into trouble. Is that what we want for our kids? Bigger is not better. Rebuild what we have.
NE GRAD 2
1:23 PM, 3/15/2010"
NE GRAD 2: nothing to add, thank you
"NELSD cannot use the tobacco settlement money to fix up, only to build new. It's not tax money. They most likely will come back in the near future for operating money-that will happen regardless because of the way Ohio funds schools. I work & live in the Tec. District and yes my property taxes went up. BUT I now work in a beautiful building that my students and parents are so proud of. It's about a dollar a day or for you in the $200,000 house - two dollars a day. Your kids are worth it.
tacomom
4:19 PM, 3/15/2010"
tacomom: thank you for your comment. We looked into the valuation of the property values in Bethel Township (Tecumseh School District) and found the valuation did increase the first period after the new schools were built. Yes, kids are worth it.
"NEW ADMINISTRATORS,NEW A.D.AT NE AND NEW BOARD MEMBERS WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE RESULTS OF TAX LEVIES.
FED UP
4:27 PM, 3/15/2010"
FED UP: thank you for your comment. If I thought that this levy would pass if I resigned today, I would have done it yesterday. Also, if that was the case, why did the last election of board members run unopposed? There were 3 positions open for election and no one ran against us.
"It's not about the money so much as the lies we have all been told in the past. Look at the levy passed to fix the roof? Was it done? No! Kids were still dodging trash cans the following year. Why does this keep going back up to be voted on? Was there a second vote for a different president because people complained? Or the smoking law? Or any other thing? NO! Quit hassling us! NO MEANS NO!!!! It should only be allowed to be voted on ONCE! NOT THREE TIMES! Leave it alone!
NO!
4:36 PM, 3/15/2010"
NO! again, thank you for your comment. First, the levy to fix the roofs was used to fix the roofs. They were replaced as promised. Did they leak? Yes. This is indicative of flat roofs when there is a lot of rain. Were they repaired under warranty? yes. No tax dollars was used to repair the roofs. I don't understand you point on a second vote for a different president because people complained. If you are referring to the President of the Board, that position is voted on by the board members, not the public.
"I am against one campus -- if I had wanted my children to go the Kenton Ridge, I would have moved to northridge. The Northeastern school district needs to prove that they are for the kids. Let go of some of your employees that are "double dipping". Some new faces and ideas would make the district a lot better. If they want my vote a lot of things need to change
northeastern parent
5:29 PM, 3/15/2010"
northeastern parent: thank you for your comment. The "double dippers" have saved this district a lot of money. There is a lot to this issue that needs to be explained. It is not illegal, immoral or unethical as many feel it is. It is an issue that, once explained, becomes clearer that it has good fiscal benefits to the district. If you have new ideas (and certainly a new face), we would be willing to listen and get you involved in making changes. Hope to see you at the meeting on the 18th.
"NELSB needs to quit beating this dead horse.school will be out soon so they should be geting contractors ready to make proper repairs
fix it
11:19 PM, 3/14/2010"
Thank you for your comment. If you have attended any of our meetings, you would know the shape of our buildings. The cost to "make the proper repairs" would be throwing good money after bad. We are making repairs as they come along. It is the large repairs that take large sums of money away from the "proper" repairs. As I have stated many times before, the board would not even consider this if the opportunity to get new facilities with someone else willing to pay part of the cost had not been given. We would have come to you for Permanent Improvement funds.
"If you just want to repair the schools, you will still need a levy to fund those repairs which would be quite significant, and no funds from the state for repairs, so the cost would be funded 100% from the community.
JC
11:31 PM, 3/14/2010"
JC: thank you for your comment. Point well taken. Likewise the cost to build new schools will be absorbed 100% by the community if we fail to get the opportunity of the OFSC money.
"NO MORE TAXES"
Taxpayer
1:20 AM, 3/15/2010
Taxpayer: thank you for your comment. Please come to the meeting on the 18th and give us your thoughts on how we can continue to operate our buildings without the property taxes. We need your suggestions.
"I see that German Township is now running their Radar units in Moorefield Township.
This is in the area of Rt. 68 North and Rt.334.
Maybe we should think about getting rid of the Deputy that is paid to work in Moorefield Township and us his payroll for the School.
Income"
Income: thank you for your comment. Don't know how much he gets paid, but if it is enough to fix our buildings, sounds like a viable alternative.
"Gee, NELSD beaten any dead horses recently? I do believe the people have spoken, actually, they have spoken twice in the last six months. Sure throw it on the ballot again, I love exercising my right to vote. I'll, again, be voting no just like the other 60% of the voters who voted.
NE Resident"
NE Resident: thank you for your comment. First, we are not throwing out the same plan. We did hear from the residents that this was not the plan they wanted. Our meeting on the 18th is for YOU to tell us what you would support. What we presented in November and February was what we felt was the best alternative for educating children with the opportunity we had for the OSFC's share of funding. On the 18th we are looking to the community to give their suggestions as to what will work for them. Hope to see you there.
"You know this would really be triple dipping - not double dipping. So let me get this right - we are still paying the PRESENT LEVY - then you will be adding TWO (2) additional charges to me if I vote for this. What DON'T you people REAALIZE - That MILLIONS OF JOBS HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE LAST 18 months AND PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING JUST TO KEEP THEIR HOMES AND FOOD ON THE TABLE. State funds or not THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS. Repairs - tho costly are still cheaper.
fed up with waste and neglect
6:05 AM, 3/15/2010"
fed up with waste and neglect: thank you for your comment. The present levy, a 1 mill continuous permanent improvement levy was voted on in order to become eligible for the OSFC's share of the funds for new facilities. I don't understand the "triple dipping" comment. We are not going to put 2 levies on the ballot. We can no longer put an income tax on the ballot due to the law. Yes, us people do realize the state of the economy, but even when the economy was strong, the people voted down levies. Repairing our current facilities will continue, however, at what point do we stop throwing good money after bad facilities? Please come to the meeting on the 18th of March and help us work through this. We can all be part of the solution or part of the problem.
"You ask is it really that much more money? Yes it is. When you already have the highest tax rate in the county, when there are more people laid off then in th 1970's, when so money homes are already in trouble. I work for a bank and a lot of and I mean a lot of folks have filed for a modification to their mortage as they can't affored to pay the amount orginally agreed upon due to the economy. So if you put more taxes on them, what do they do? No more modifications will be allowed.
Cindy
6:12 AM, 3/15/2010"
Cindy: thank you for your comment. First, we do not have the highest tax rate in the county. Please update yourself on the Clark County Auditor's office website. They will show you that Northeastern Local School District is not the highest. Again, I emphasize that this is an opportunity for someone to help pay for new schools. I agree that it is probably the worst time, but we have no choice in the timing.
"I have a college degree, and I've had no trouble at all finding work. Of course it's hard to find a job when you have no college experience. If it's really that much money maybe you should live somewhere else? I'm sure Springfield city has lower taxes. All of these people say they don't have any money, but I'm sure they can afford their cigarettes and alcohol...where are the priorities?
Marie
6:24 AM, 3/15/2010"
Marie: thank you for your comment. My only comment is that people have choices and can exercise their choice. Everyone has their priorities.
"Moorefield township does not have the highest tax rate in the county. Check your facts on the auditor site. Yes, we are all hurting, but it will cost less than $30 a month to have brand new schools. Bet if your kid asked to take music lessons or sports coaching at $30 a month - most of you wouldn't think twice. I remember my niece eating lunch in the hallway at Northridge 20 years ago. You cannot compare 40 year old schools to 40 year old houses unless hundreds of people use your house.
tacomom
6:32 AM, 3/15/2010"
tacomom: thank you for your comment. We have 3758 kids going through our buildings daily. For the buildings of South Vienna (895), Northridge (1002), Northeastern (532), Rolling Hills (580), Kenton Ridge (749). That's a lot of flushing, washing, opening and closing doors, etc. After 40 minutes any home with this kind of usage would be in need of repairs, maintenance and upgrade.
"Guess What ! having a new school does not give you a better education, Look at the facts, It is only if you want a better education, Put the importance back on the home life, not the building that takes the kids in for hours each day, I did without , so the kids today can do without, nothing wrong with that, Still got an education, still support my family, I will vote no for this as many times as it comes on the ballot , as I feel it is a WASTE OF MONEY
lived in NE for 30 yrs
6:55 AM, 3/15/2010"
lived in NE for 30 years: thank you for your comment. I've lived in this district for 58 years. When I graduated from NEHS in 1965, a basic education was sufficient to get a job anywhere. But that was then. This is now. The economy is different, laws are different, people are different and society is different. Buildings with technology do make better education for kids than the "one-room" school house of yesterday. We all did without, but we also want a better life and future for our kids. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts at our meeting on the 18th. at Northeastern High School. It starts at 6 PM.
"When will the school board listen to the majority of the voters we don't want you to use the states money for schools. Look at Springfield Local and Northwestern after accepting those funds. Back to the voters hat in hand. NEHS was built without any debt. Most of the homeowners who live in the district are either retired or financially strapped. No new school taxes!!
3 generations @ NEHS"
3 generations @ NEHS: thank you for your comment. I cannot respond to how building NEHS was funded. First, this is not the "states" money. It is money from the Tobacco Settlement that was given to the states for their use. Ohio opted to use the money to build new schools. There is no tax dollars used from the OSFC. Secondly, Springfield Local is now Clark-Shawnee who has not been eligible for the OSFC funding (you probably mean Springfield City Schools). Unfortunately, school districts in Ohio have no other recourse but to go to the voters for new schools. This is the way schools are funded in Ohio.
"I'm really getting tired of the NE school board! Again, NO, NO, NO! Also, everyone in the school district is not as dumb as you think. You keep harping on the fact that the state is going to pay 41% of the cost. Where does the state money come from? Answer, from the taxpayers. So the local taxpayer is actually paying 100% of the cost!
Paul
7:51 AM, 3/15/2010"
Paul: thank you for your comment. First, the money from the OSFC is not taxpayer money. If you would do your research or ask the people who know, you would find out that the money is from the tobacco settlement that was awarded to each state. Ohio opted to use the funds to build new schools. It is not taxpayer money. If we fail to take advantage of this we will have to fund 100% of the cost. Your choice.
"Funding for new schools needs to go away from the property owners.Some districts in Ohio did just that, they imposed a income tax.
buckeye
7:51 AM, 3/15/2010"
buckeye: thank you for your comment. I've always felt funding an education in Ohio by using property tax is not only stupid, but it is unconstitutional. I have fought to get this changed for the past 16 years, only to fall on deaf ears at the State House. I feel an income tax would not be the way to go because it eliminates those retired people who enjoy the benefits of strong property values as a result of good schools. This is also not fair to those who work. In order to fund the local portion of our budget in the district, it would take a very large income tax which would not be popular and would get voted down very quickly.
"I wander if we all shouldn't meet in the middle on this. Is it really necessary to build 6 new buildings? How about building 2 new high schools and 2 new middle schools and then use the current middle schools as elemenatary schools. There has to be a middle ground that we all can meet on.
HMMMM
7:52 AM, 3/15/2010"
HMMM: thank you for your comment. This is the purpose of the meeting on the 18th. We are not putting the plan back on the ballot. We are trying to find some common ground that the public will agree with. Please come to the meeting and voice your suggestion. Hopefully it will be the one that works.
"marie, tacomom & all supporters of NESD tax levies.
as i have said many times the word is DONATE
you bunch of tightwads with children in school
DONATE!!!
If all parents would DONATE $500.00 per child there
would be no need to depend tax levies.
Now get in there and "DONATE" or are you planing to
rely on us to pay for your child's College also???
DONATE
8:18 AM, 3/15/2010"
DONATE: thank you for your comment. Let's look at a $500 donation from the parents in the district. We know there are 3758 kids in the district. If parents donated $500 per child, the total would be $1,879,000. Our budget is approximately $30,000,000 of which 49% comes from the state and 1% from the federal government. This means that $15 million would be needed to meet the local share. In that case the parents would need to donate $3992.00 for each child. However, everyone in the district would be able to take advantage of the strong property values that comes with good schools. Is this fair? I think not.
"I want to know why the school district can keep putting a levy back on the ballot after the voters have already said no. Just because they are not happy with the out come. If a levy passed and the tax payers weren't happy with that, can they put the issue back on the ballot to have it revoked. I doubt it! So why is the school district allowed to keep putting the issue before the voters? It is a waste of our money. They need to respect the voter’s decision and move on. NO MORE TAXES!!!!!!!!
Sam
8:19 AM, 3/15/2010"
Sam: thank you for your comment. If you go to the website for the district and find the list of ballot issues the district has put on the ballot since 1969, you would find that in May of 2003 the district had a 4.3853 mill bond issue which it withdrew from the ballot. So yes, we can do it. If the board of education backed down every time a ballot was voted down, our buildings, our educational system and our schools would be in shambles, your property values would be very poor, and the future of our children would be dismal. We are looking at a different plan, but need the input of people in the district, like you, to help us. Looking forward to your input at our meeting on the 18th of March.
"One High School, one community. Look at Tecumseh H.S. and Springfield High School. Why does the board think we need two high schools that just plain out of the question. Build one elementary & midddle school in South Vienna and convert and remodel K.R. into an elementary and middle school. And build one nice high school.......
N.E.L.S.D. Resident
8:27 AM, 3/15/2010"
N.E.L.S.D. Resident: thank you for your comment. One high school was an option that the vast majority of the public did not agree on, otherwise we would have put this on the ballot. We are looking for new ideas. Please come to the meeting on the 18th and give us your thoughts on what you feel will be a solution.
"They let in all these open enrollment kids - WHO LIVE IN OTHER DISTRICTS - then they cry because they got no place to put them. Kick them out!
No
8:38 AM, 3/15/2010"
NO: thank you for your comment. Open enrollment is a money issue. We do not bring kids in because it is overcrowded. We bring them in for the following reasons. (1) we have kids who leave our district to go to other districts for whatever reason. Every time a child leaves the district we lose $5780. We need to compensate for the loss. (2). We bring in kids and put them in classes where space is available. With each kid, we get $5780 which is used to hire teachers without using your tax funds! Currently we have 117 kids leaving the district and taking with them $676,000. We are bringing in 211 kids for a total of $1,220,000. The additional kids are placed in classes that have space available without overcrowding a class. The difference between what we lost and what we gained, $544,000 is used to hire 10 teachers without getting into your share of the local funding! Saying NO to open enrollment would mean that we would lose the 10 teachers that cost you nothing plus an additional 14 teachers caused by the kids currently going out of the district.
"This is a great source of entertainment and shouldn't be. Other citizens paid taxes for your public education, your parents public education and your grandparents public education....it's just the way it works. Go to the meeting and add your input-after all that is what the meeting is about. If you don't go and something doesn't go your way, then don't complain!
pepper
9:05 AM, 3/15/2010"
pepper: thank you for your comment. Nothing to add. Well said.
"The 41% is not taxpayer money, it's tobacco settlement money. Q&A from the OSFC website:
Where does the OSFC get its money?
The commission manages money appropriated by the legislature. Originally, it received money from the state budget, but right now, 100% of the money is coming from the tobacco securitization money.
Millions will go to school districts. NE voters are fools if they don't take it - the district where I teach are really enjoying our new buildings!
Not so local teacher"
Not so local teacher: thank you for your comment. How have your property values been effected?
"Open enrollment is not the problem.Kids leave this district to go to schools in other districts. The money follows the kids. A little over $5000 per kid is what you lose when a child goes to a school in another district. I think they said at the last board meeting about 100-120 kids leave the school district. That's about $500,000 -$600,000 lost to the district if you don't accept kids from other districts. The only way it works your way is if you get rid of open enrollment for every district.
JC
9:46 AM, 3/15/2010"
JC: thank you for your comment. You are correct. Don't forget about the 10 teachers we hire because of Open Enrollment kids that is not paid by our tax payers, but be concerned about the 14 additional teachers we would lose if we stopped open enrollment.
"Enough is enough. Money is tight. Does any one have any idea how much the district has spent trying to get there way. Great thing to teach our children complain until you get your way. The idea of closing one of the high schools and going to just one, is absurd if the buildings are so full now how is that going to solve any problems, oh wait, so in another year you can complain about being soooo full. Give me a break. Building new schools is not going to improve education.
NE RESIDENT for 50 years"
NE RESIDENT: Thank you for your comment. I can meet you half way on this. New schools will allow us the technology that we currently cannot provide because of the electrical infrastructure and the quality of air in the buildings. Put our quality teachers in facilities with good technology and see what can be produced. Yes, money is tight, but doing nothing is not benefiting our children and their future. I personally am thinking more of them than myself.
"I'm so sick of hearing about this. Enough is enough already! It was voted on twice and both times it failed. Get over it! Repair it and go on. Are you really going to bull doze your home because it has some issues? And don't tell me it is so horrible to sit in the school. Not so long ago I was there and I survived. These students are spoiled brats these days. I've been to some of their homes and I must say, the school looks like the Hilton. Look at Brookside trailor's!
NO!
9:54 AM, 3/15/2010"
NO! thank you for your comment. The plan we put on in November and February will not be put on again. We are wanting the people to give their input on what they find reasonable. If doing nothing and putting money into our current buildings is their disire, then this is what the board will do. I disagree with that process, however, the public is the ones I report to. In todays global market and economy, it is no longer enough to "survive". We must let our kids become competitive. We can't do that in our current buildings.
"I suppose that all of you will blame the school board for reduced test scores and your children not succeeding when we are unable to recruit or keep the greatly talented educators we now have. I hear many people talking about how it was good enough for them, so it is good enough for their kids. Do your kids have cell phones, video games, cars, etc.? Yes. Did you? For many the answer is no, so that argument just doesn't hold up. Invest in the future, show your kids you want better for them.
nelsdsupporter
9:58 AM, 3/15/2010"
nelsdsupporter: thank you for your comment. Good point.
"Please don't post if you are ignorant of the issue at hand, which is most of the people posting on here. Please do your research, start attending board meetings, and being INVOLVED in the school district. These kids are the future. Please don't punish their quality of education just because you do not agree with what the board does. I do not agree with what the board does, but I went to meetings and spoke up about it. And I was a student. Voice your opinion at the meetings.
HB
10:02 AM, 3/15/2010"
HB: thank you for your comment. As a student, I am proud that you speak up and share your thoughts even though we may no agree. The best argument is one in which both sides are aware of the issues and the facts surrounding the issues.
"I have given my concerns to a board member. The response was that I just didn't understand the issues. The issue is this levy and income tax is set for 37 years. Mark my words, once the the new buildings are built an operational levy will be added to maintain the new schools. Over 37 years I will end up paying an additional $35,000.00 to my exsisting tax liability and I'll be 90 years old. Drop the income tax and combine the schools! My wife and I work hard, but I am running out of money!
pauly
10:19 AM, 3/15/2010"
pauly: thanks for your comment. For the cost of our new buildings, under the previous plan, the cost for a $100,000 home would be approximatley $330.00 plus an additional $100 income tax. Over the course of 37 years the cost would be $15,910 if you lived in a $100,000 home and your income was $40,000 annually. However, the amount of property tax would decrease as more people moved into the district as the cost would be shared by more people. When you don't understand the issues, it is time to start asking questions about the issues.
"The board really needs to let go of the phrase "Two Campuses one Community". This has lead to a single minded way of thinking. If the board would distance themselves from the catchy little slogan maybe they could put all of their little pea brains together and come up with a plan that will please the majority. The majority does not seemed to be for the 2 campus idea...come up with a plan that works, its what you are paid for.
Marcia
10:35 AM, 3/15/2010"
Marcia: thank you for your comment. You are correct! That's what the meeting on the 18th is about. We want you to help those of us with "little pea brains" come up with an option that you will accept. Hope to see you there.
"Pauly is correct about the operational levy coming at us next, as it is a question I asked at one of the meetings a few months back. Mr. Broderick (sp) answered me honestly saying that "of course they would need to pass an operation levy" but he assured me that they would not try to do this until "at least 2 years after this bond passes" because he was aware that there was "no way voters would be ready to pass the operational levy so soon after the bond". Rather deceptive, don't you think?
The rest of the story
10:44 AM, 3/15/2010"
The rest of the story: thank you for your comment. Nothing about deception with Mr. Broderick's statement. Yes, due to many factors such as inflation (cost of goods and services rising) and increased cost of operating our buildings, yes, we would be coming back in a couple of years. Nothing deceptive about it. Personally, it is better than a Permanent Improvement levy to continue putting money into the buildings we have, only to have to close one or two due to some catastrophic problem and having to build new in 4 or 5 years. But that is the voter's choice.
"HB, I went to one of the meetings where you submitted questions on a piece of paper!! Then somebody CHOSE which questions on those pieces of paper would be answered. That's free speech? That's open discussion? They don't want to hear anything they don't agree with. I'm sick of the whole thing - NO MEANS NO. Fix what we have and move forward. I'm not committing my grandkids to pay for something YOU want but don't need. You can learn anywhere if there are good teachers.
NS
10:45 AM, 3/15/2010"
NS: thank you for your comment. First, I am the one who "CHOSE" which question to be asked. I guarantee you that I am not selective, nor do I not allow anyone to speak. If there are similar comments on the same subject, I ask the individual if they have anything different to add to the issue. If they don't then, for the sake of time, ther is no reason for them to say the same thing. This is free speech at its best and definately an open forum. Be sure to fill out your blue sheet when you come to the meeting on the 18th. Let me know who you are and you'll be the first to speak.
"To NO!: I wouldn't bulldoze my home to build a new one; Darn right I'd repair it. However, you tell my you are going pay for half of a new home? I'd be revving that diesel engine this morning and taking the first run at it!
You are being offered FREE MONEY for new buildings!! Take it and run!!!
stan
10:48 AM, 3/15/2010"
stan: thank you for your comment. I agree. If someone was offering me 41% of the cost of a new home, I would find a way to pay for it. Anyway, the value would be more than I had in the home.
"LMAO! How is it "free money" when you have your taxes raised? My home is over 200,000 dollars. That's a big increase for me. Are you exempt?
NO!
11:07 AM, 3/15/2010"
NO!: thank you for your comment. What is "free money" is the 41% of the cost of the buildings. Using the figures from the November plan, the cost of the buildings amounted to $111,000,000.00 of which 46,000,000 was coming the OSFC tobacco settlement funds. These are tax free funds.
"REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS BEING BUILT AND I MIGHT VOTE ON IT.ONE LARGE HIGH SCHOOL. ONE LARGE MIDDLE SCHOOL WITH GRADE SCHOOL KIDS.
CAROL MCNEIL
11:13 AM, 3/15/2010"
Carol McNeil: thank you for your comment. I will present this plan as an option. I don't agree that this is what is best for kids, however, it is a viable option that may work. I hope you get the opportunity to come to the meeting on the 18th and present this option.
"So after reading these comments I have come to the conclusion that NELSD is nothing more than a low income housing area now. How sad. It was nice to know that at one time they were the place to live. Aparently not now. Too many low income people with no potential for growth. I say don't waste your money updating your home as no one is going to buy it. Would you if you had kids. Maybe it is ok for a senior citizen area but not familes. Who knew.
basketball fand
11:17 AM, 3/15/2010"
basketball fand: thank you for your comment. As a resident of this district I hava always believed this was the best place to live, raise and educate children, and I'm certain you do to. It is unfortunate that we are having these difficulties, especially with those who are uninformed, misinformed or "don't want to be informed".
"They are right about coming at you for an operational levy soon after passing this one. Just look across the county at NW, who didn't even wait 6 months to come back for more.
TEA
11:18 AM, 3/15/2010"
TEA: thank you for your comment. We have never denied that we would not be coming with an operational levy. As Mr. Broderick stated, it will be in a couple of years only due to inflation and operational cost in the district. It will be an operational levy that you, as a resident, will have the option to vote for or against.
"People with jobs and college degrees will NOT want to move into the Northeastern Local School District if the public schools are not supported by the taxpayers. Educational requirements for children are only going to increase in the coming years with the adoption of the National Standards. The graduation requirements for my generation were MEAGER compared to what my child must do. And those that come later will only have to learn more. And you want this to happen in substandard buildings?
Northeastern Local Resident
12:54 PM, 3/15/2010"
Northeastern Local Resident: thank you for your comment. I totally agree with your message. Our schools are representative of our community and they determine the value of our property. People have moved into our district because of our schools. We need to make our schools stronger, simply because of what you stated about the standards that are coming. I never thought about my education being meager until I compared it to the requirements our children must meet today. Personally, I have a college degree, however, I don't know if I can meet the requirements of todays education standards. Thank you.
"ARE YOU KIDDING ME THESE SMART AND COLLEGE DEGREE PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS AGAIN. TO THE PERSON THAT SAID SMART COLLEGE DEGREE PEOPLE WON'T MOVE IN THE AREA IF WE DON'T PASS THE LEVY. LADY IT IS NOT ABOUT EDUCATION,IT IS ABOUT AFFORDABLTY. WHEN YOU TAXES ARE ALREADY HIGH, WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE TO MAKE THEM HIGHER.
NOBODY WILL MOVE INTO AN AREA IF THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE TAXES.
LARRY
1:04 PM, 3/15/2010"
LARRY: Thank you for your comment. Sorry to say, it is about need and opportunity. As I stated before, we would not be doing this if the opportunity was not available. It is never an issue of affordibility. If it was, we wouldn't vote for road levies, emergency levies, MRDD levies, upcoming library levies. It only school levies that people reject. This doesn't make sense when it is the schools that effect one's property values. People don't move into a community because of good roads or good fire departments...it is because of good schools and strong property values.
"How did we get 2 High Schools? The people in NR wanted it that way. If you have attended any of the Board Meetings, you would know that 1 super high school, 1 super middle school, and 1 super elementary, is contrary to the State Plan for smaller schools. It would also cost more to operate because we would need more teachers. And since the school would be in the center of the district, it would require more Buses, and transportation cost would at least double, It's not realistic.
NE GRAD 2
1:17 PM, 3/15/2010"
NE GRAD 2: thank you for your comment. Also don't forget, one big high school would cause more disciplinary problems. The number of teachers would not decrease because the number of teachers is directly related to the number of students. Likewise for administrators and many staff personnel. Also, we would have to buy a large portion of land for the buildings. In addition, athletic facilities, which we already have, would need to be rebuilt - not with board funds - but just like the ones we already have, by the public. I personally do not support one big high school
"Additionally, everybody says it is for the kids. This fact will happen, the 1 school concept, will keep a bunch of the kids out of sports, band, choir, drama club, and plays, because there will be to many to allow everyone to participate. So this means everyone will have to tryout, and ALL STUDENTS who try out, win NOT get to participate. So now we will have more kids on the street getting into trouble. Is that what we want for our kids? Bigger is not better. Rebuild what we have.
NE GRAD 2
1:23 PM, 3/15/2010"
NE GRAD 2: nothing to add, thank you
"NELSD cannot use the tobacco settlement money to fix up, only to build new. It's not tax money. They most likely will come back in the near future for operating money-that will happen regardless because of the way Ohio funds schools. I work & live in the Tec. District and yes my property taxes went up. BUT I now work in a beautiful building that my students and parents are so proud of. It's about a dollar a day or for you in the $200,000 house - two dollars a day. Your kids are worth it.
tacomom
4:19 PM, 3/15/2010"
tacomom: thank you for your comment. We looked into the valuation of the property values in Bethel Township (Tecumseh School District) and found the valuation did increase the first period after the new schools were built. Yes, kids are worth it.
"NEW ADMINISTRATORS,NEW A.D.AT NE AND NEW BOARD MEMBERS WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE RESULTS OF TAX LEVIES.
FED UP
4:27 PM, 3/15/2010"
FED UP: thank you for your comment. If I thought that this levy would pass if I resigned today, I would have done it yesterday. Also, if that was the case, why did the last election of board members run unopposed? There were 3 positions open for election and no one ran against us.
"It's not about the money so much as the lies we have all been told in the past. Look at the levy passed to fix the roof? Was it done? No! Kids were still dodging trash cans the following year. Why does this keep going back up to be voted on? Was there a second vote for a different president because people complained? Or the smoking law? Or any other thing? NO! Quit hassling us! NO MEANS NO!!!! It should only be allowed to be voted on ONCE! NOT THREE TIMES! Leave it alone!
NO!
4:36 PM, 3/15/2010"
NO! again, thank you for your comment. First, the levy to fix the roofs was used to fix the roofs. They were replaced as promised. Did they leak? Yes. This is indicative of flat roofs when there is a lot of rain. Were they repaired under warranty? yes. No tax dollars was used to repair the roofs. I don't understand you point on a second vote for a different president because people complained. If you are referring to the President of the Board, that position is voted on by the board members, not the public.
"I am against one campus -- if I had wanted my children to go the Kenton Ridge, I would have moved to northridge. The Northeastern school district needs to prove that they are for the kids. Let go of some of your employees that are "double dipping". Some new faces and ideas would make the district a lot better. If they want my vote a lot of things need to change
northeastern parent
5:29 PM, 3/15/2010"
northeastern parent: thank you for your comment. The "double dippers" have saved this district a lot of money. There is a lot to this issue that needs to be explained. It is not illegal, immoral or unethical as many feel it is. It is an issue that, once explained, becomes clearer that it has good fiscal benefits to the district. If you have new ideas (and certainly a new face), we would be willing to listen and get you involved in making changes. Hope to see you at the meeting on the 18th.
Saturday, March 13, 2010
Teacher's Salaries....my perspective...you decide
Great quote to think about...."my goal as a teacher is to become obsolete to my student".
Recently, we've been reading, in the News-Sun, comments about the teacher’s pay in the Northeastern Local School District. With the number of days a teacher works, getting their summers off, all of the holidays and other benefits, it appears the consensus is that teachers are grossly overpaid. Having never been a teacher, but being around them for the past many years, I researched some of the responsibilities and expectations of teachers in general and compared these responsibilities to their earnings.
Next to School Board members, it is perceived that "teachers have the cushiest and highest paying jobs around. Also, they make way too much money for what they do and don’t produce any goods or services that will benefit the public. Unlike those who work in manufacturing or service industries that make a product or provide a service that people want, teachers only work nine months out of the year, and then only about five or six hours a day. They get off for every holiday and those “calamity days” off is free money! It is obvious teachers get paid way too much."
It is a universal fact that people should get paid according to their responsibilities and expectations. The more responsibility an employee has and the more they are expected to do, then it is concluded the more they should earn. The average pay of a teacher, nationwide, is about $47,000.
I’ve often heard, from the general public, that "teachers are nothing more than baby sitters, and I think their pay is way too much".
So, with that theory in mind,(and tongue-in-cheek), let's say that each parent should have to pay the teacher a babysitter’s wages of say $4.00 an hour. That’s right, instead of paying them these outrageous salaries we are paying them, let’s pay them for what they actually do….babysit.
Now, I’m only paying them for the time they spend with my kid, not coffee breaks. So they will get $4.00 an hour for the 6 hours they have my child. Oh, and by the way, I’ve listed some responsibilities they should have, and the expectations I have as a parent.
So, let’s calculate how much a teacher should earn. I will give them a baby sitter's pay of $4.00 a hour for 6 hours. That comes to $24.00 a day. At $24.00 a day, that's less than I could afford day care! On the average a teacher will teach 25 children, some may have 30 depending on the school district. But we will use a classroom of 25 children. That means a teacher will get paid $600.00 a day. (I can see the eyes of teachers lighting up already).
Remember they only work 180 days a year. I’m not paying them for their summers off, or weekends, or vacation days…just the 180 days they have my child. So the teacher with 25 students will get $600.00 a day times 180 days which amounts to $108,000.00 a year! Where do I sign up! No one is worth $108 grand for 9 mmonths!
Seriously, let’s look at the basic responsibilities and expectations of a teacher. I found these responsibilities and expectations from a website by Judy Lightfoot titled "The Multiplying Duties of a Classroom Teacher". I have added some items and emphasis to the list.
A classroom teacher is responsible for:
(1). Prepare for classes in two or more different courses of instruction,
(2). Teach classes, which means engaging creatively, emotionally and
intellectually with one’s student and with different groups of young people
many times a week,
(3). thoughtfully design, read, and mark paper assignments, tests, and homework,
(4). Prepare for and conduct academic conferences with students,
(5). Develop a strong and, if possible, warm working relationship with each
student, while adapting to each student’s different personality, home life,
attitude and emotional stability,
(6). Assess student’s achievement, track student progress, and keep accurate up
to date records,
(7). Write midterm and end-term comments for each student’s parents and permanent
file,
(8). Do academic research and keep up with developments in one’s subject area,
(9). Work on improving teaching strategies,
(10). Update and refresh course content,
(11). Post and publish student work; put up classroom bulletin board displays,
(12). Deal with minor everyday exigencies – e.g., send home assignments for sick or absent students, or cope with missing student homework, late book arrivals
and minor technology snafus,
(13). Catch students up after absences such as illnesses, family crises, school
trips, and other issues that has kept a child out of school, and if the
child had been through an emotional experience, the teacher must be able to
calm and get through the child’s emotional issue without further damaging
the child,
(14). Track attendance in one’s classes,
IN ADDITION, NEW RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN ADDED:
(15). Teach a mix of long and short class periods,
(16). Design and implement collaborative and other student-centered learning
experiences in the classroom,
(17). explicitly address issues of gender, race, ethnicity, and sexuality while
trying to communicate with those who may not fully understand or speak the
English language, or whose demeanor is fragile,
(18). Infuse multicultural topics and materials into curriculum and instruction,
(19). Address the different learning styles of students in general,
(20). Address the diagnosed learning disabilities of particular students,
(21). Teach students whose prior schooling consisted of miscellaneous “projects”
instead of coherent curriculums of study,
(22). Teach students who read less now and who have read less in the past,
(23). Teach more students who are emotionally needy because more families are
under stress and fewer parents have time for parenting,
(24). Teach students who are distracted and confused by a chaotic, media-driven
culture, and who are not held to standards of ethics or civility at school
or elsewhere,
(25). Use constantly changing new technologies,
(26). Deal with major technology problems – e.g., lost files due to program
failures; viruses nonfunctioning servers; e-mail failures; hardware
malfunctions; idiosyncrasies and incompatibilities in the system; confusing
or contradictory training; overworked and unavailable tech staff; and
machine shortages in the district,
(27). Write an annual self-assessment for Principal, AND,
(28). they must attain a Master’s Degree within a certain period of time.
In addition to all of these responsibilities, parents have the following expectations:
(1). Design and lead special school wide projects,
(2). Check with their students daily; connect with each student’s parents; be
liaison for student, teacher and parents as needed,
(3). Attend their student’s school sports events, art performances, and other
exhibitions,
(4). Chair a department, be a college counselor, or lead a major faculty
committee or student activity,
(5). Chaperone some student social activities,
(6). Supervise 1 or 2 library study halls per week or more often,
(7). Prepare for and attend Open Houses for their schools and other parent nights
as required,
(8). Help move rummage into the sale area and guide groups of students doing the
same,
(9). Write recommendation letters for students,
(10). be an active adult presence on campus and share in ad hoc disciplining of
students,
(11). Spend informal time with students,
(12). Spend time with alumni–letters, calls, conversation during their campus
visits,
(13). Have phone conversations with parents…on the parent’s time frame,
(14). Respond to Principals and Superintendents demands,
(15). Attend monthly faculty meetings,
(16). Attend department meetings,
(17). Attend student review sessions on demand,
(18). Meet with parents, administrators, advisers, counselor, and /or skills
staff when asked,
(19). occasionally supervise a student’s course of independent study, or a senior
project,
(20). Contribute to the summer reading list.
ADD TO THIS LIST THE NEWEST EXPECTATIONS:
(21). Participate in extended, formalized teacher evaluation processes,
(22). Conserve paper, and guide students in paper conservation,
(23). Recycle paper, cans, plastic, and glass, and lead students in the recycling process,
(24). Lead or otherwise participate in student-led days of special activities,
(25). Nurture student leadership, participation and initiative by involving
students in major aspects of decision making,
(26). Attend one more faculty meeting monthly,
(27). Attend Student Court hearings on demand,
(28). Attend the 9th grade family Saturday or chaperone a class retreat in the
fall, winter or spring,
(29). Help newly admitted freshman students and their parent’s sign up for an
appropriate course load and be responsible for getting it correct the first
time,
(30). Respond to dozens of daily phone and e-mail messages and requests,
(31). Share in responsibility for increased campus security and disaster
readiness without scaring children,
(32). Enlist a colleague to co-chaperone every off-campus student activity,
(33). Respond to requests from parent groups,
(34). Respond to directives from increasing numbers of administrators, Boards of
Education, legislators and the Department of Education,
(35). Serve on major task forces, on urgent focus groups, and on increasing
numbers and kinds of committees,
(36). Hold an individual conference and attend a dinner with new students
parents,
(37). Attend regular meeting of department members from both division of K-6 and
7-12 schools, AND as a parent,
(38). Keep your personal views to yourself unless they are the same as mine.
If you’ve taken the time to read this far, then I would ask if you would be capable of fulfilling these responsibilities and expectations for the salary a teacher makes. Compare these with your own job that you punch into at 8AM and punch out at 5PM. Your problems at work may be a product or service issue. With a teacher, it is a child whose future may be affected by what happened at school or will happen at home. For that child, did I cause that "light" come on, or was the darkness still there. Did I allow that student to reach beyond the lesson to search for the truth and better understanding.
Was I able to become obsolete to my student?
Recently, we've been reading, in the News-Sun, comments about the teacher’s pay in the Northeastern Local School District. With the number of days a teacher works, getting their summers off, all of the holidays and other benefits, it appears the consensus is that teachers are grossly overpaid. Having never been a teacher, but being around them for the past many years, I researched some of the responsibilities and expectations of teachers in general and compared these responsibilities to their earnings.
Next to School Board members, it is perceived that "teachers have the cushiest and highest paying jobs around. Also, they make way too much money for what they do and don’t produce any goods or services that will benefit the public. Unlike those who work in manufacturing or service industries that make a product or provide a service that people want, teachers only work nine months out of the year, and then only about five or six hours a day. They get off for every holiday and those “calamity days” off is free money! It is obvious teachers get paid way too much."
It is a universal fact that people should get paid according to their responsibilities and expectations. The more responsibility an employee has and the more they are expected to do, then it is concluded the more they should earn. The average pay of a teacher, nationwide, is about $47,000.
I’ve often heard, from the general public, that "teachers are nothing more than baby sitters, and I think their pay is way too much".
So, with that theory in mind,(and tongue-in-cheek), let's say that each parent should have to pay the teacher a babysitter’s wages of say $4.00 an hour. That’s right, instead of paying them these outrageous salaries we are paying them, let’s pay them for what they actually do….babysit.
Now, I’m only paying them for the time they spend with my kid, not coffee breaks. So they will get $4.00 an hour for the 6 hours they have my child. Oh, and by the way, I’ve listed some responsibilities they should have, and the expectations I have as a parent.
So, let’s calculate how much a teacher should earn. I will give them a baby sitter's pay of $4.00 a hour for 6 hours. That comes to $24.00 a day. At $24.00 a day, that's less than I could afford day care! On the average a teacher will teach 25 children, some may have 30 depending on the school district. But we will use a classroom of 25 children. That means a teacher will get paid $600.00 a day. (I can see the eyes of teachers lighting up already).
Remember they only work 180 days a year. I’m not paying them for their summers off, or weekends, or vacation days…just the 180 days they have my child. So the teacher with 25 students will get $600.00 a day times 180 days which amounts to $108,000.00 a year! Where do I sign up! No one is worth $108 grand for 9 mmonths!
Seriously, let’s look at the basic responsibilities and expectations of a teacher. I found these responsibilities and expectations from a website by Judy Lightfoot titled "The Multiplying Duties of a Classroom Teacher". I have added some items and emphasis to the list.
A classroom teacher is responsible for:
(1). Prepare for classes in two or more different courses of instruction,
(2). Teach classes, which means engaging creatively, emotionally and
intellectually with one’s student and with different groups of young people
many times a week,
(3). thoughtfully design, read, and mark paper assignments, tests, and homework,
(4). Prepare for and conduct academic conferences with students,
(5). Develop a strong and, if possible, warm working relationship with each
student, while adapting to each student’s different personality, home life,
attitude and emotional stability,
(6). Assess student’s achievement, track student progress, and keep accurate up
to date records,
(7). Write midterm and end-term comments for each student’s parents and permanent
file,
(8). Do academic research and keep up with developments in one’s subject area,
(9). Work on improving teaching strategies,
(10). Update and refresh course content,
(11). Post and publish student work; put up classroom bulletin board displays,
(12). Deal with minor everyday exigencies – e.g., send home assignments for sick or absent students, or cope with missing student homework, late book arrivals
and minor technology snafus,
(13). Catch students up after absences such as illnesses, family crises, school
trips, and other issues that has kept a child out of school, and if the
child had been through an emotional experience, the teacher must be able to
calm and get through the child’s emotional issue without further damaging
the child,
(14). Track attendance in one’s classes,
IN ADDITION, NEW RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN ADDED:
(15). Teach a mix of long and short class periods,
(16). Design and implement collaborative and other student-centered learning
experiences in the classroom,
(17). explicitly address issues of gender, race, ethnicity, and sexuality while
trying to communicate with those who may not fully understand or speak the
English language, or whose demeanor is fragile,
(18). Infuse multicultural topics and materials into curriculum and instruction,
(19). Address the different learning styles of students in general,
(20). Address the diagnosed learning disabilities of particular students,
(21). Teach students whose prior schooling consisted of miscellaneous “projects”
instead of coherent curriculums of study,
(22). Teach students who read less now and who have read less in the past,
(23). Teach more students who are emotionally needy because more families are
under stress and fewer parents have time for parenting,
(24). Teach students who are distracted and confused by a chaotic, media-driven
culture, and who are not held to standards of ethics or civility at school
or elsewhere,
(25). Use constantly changing new technologies,
(26). Deal with major technology problems – e.g., lost files due to program
failures; viruses nonfunctioning servers; e-mail failures; hardware
malfunctions; idiosyncrasies and incompatibilities in the system; confusing
or contradictory training; overworked and unavailable tech staff; and
machine shortages in the district,
(27). Write an annual self-assessment for Principal, AND,
(28). they must attain a Master’s Degree within a certain period of time.
In addition to all of these responsibilities, parents have the following expectations:
(1). Design and lead special school wide projects,
(2). Check with their students daily; connect with each student’s parents; be
liaison for student, teacher and parents as needed,
(3). Attend their student’s school sports events, art performances, and other
exhibitions,
(4). Chair a department, be a college counselor, or lead a major faculty
committee or student activity,
(5). Chaperone some student social activities,
(6). Supervise 1 or 2 library study halls per week or more often,
(7). Prepare for and attend Open Houses for their schools and other parent nights
as required,
(8). Help move rummage into the sale area and guide groups of students doing the
same,
(9). Write recommendation letters for students,
(10). be an active adult presence on campus and share in ad hoc disciplining of
students,
(11). Spend informal time with students,
(12). Spend time with alumni–letters, calls, conversation during their campus
visits,
(13). Have phone conversations with parents…on the parent’s time frame,
(14). Respond to Principals and Superintendents demands,
(15). Attend monthly faculty meetings,
(16). Attend department meetings,
(17). Attend student review sessions on demand,
(18). Meet with parents, administrators, advisers, counselor, and /or skills
staff when asked,
(19). occasionally supervise a student’s course of independent study, or a senior
project,
(20). Contribute to the summer reading list.
ADD TO THIS LIST THE NEWEST EXPECTATIONS:
(21). Participate in extended, formalized teacher evaluation processes,
(22). Conserve paper, and guide students in paper conservation,
(23). Recycle paper, cans, plastic, and glass, and lead students in the recycling process,
(24). Lead or otherwise participate in student-led days of special activities,
(25). Nurture student leadership, participation and initiative by involving
students in major aspects of decision making,
(26). Attend one more faculty meeting monthly,
(27). Attend Student Court hearings on demand,
(28). Attend the 9th grade family Saturday or chaperone a class retreat in the
fall, winter or spring,
(29). Help newly admitted freshman students and their parent’s sign up for an
appropriate course load and be responsible for getting it correct the first
time,
(30). Respond to dozens of daily phone and e-mail messages and requests,
(31). Share in responsibility for increased campus security and disaster
readiness without scaring children,
(32). Enlist a colleague to co-chaperone every off-campus student activity,
(33). Respond to requests from parent groups,
(34). Respond to directives from increasing numbers of administrators, Boards of
Education, legislators and the Department of Education,
(35). Serve on major task forces, on urgent focus groups, and on increasing
numbers and kinds of committees,
(36). Hold an individual conference and attend a dinner with new students
parents,
(37). Attend regular meeting of department members from both division of K-6 and
7-12 schools, AND as a parent,
(38). Keep your personal views to yourself unless they are the same as mine.
If you’ve taken the time to read this far, then I would ask if you would be capable of fulfilling these responsibilities and expectations for the salary a teacher makes. Compare these with your own job that you punch into at 8AM and punch out at 5PM. Your problems at work may be a product or service issue. With a teacher, it is a child whose future may be affected by what happened at school or will happen at home. For that child, did I cause that "light" come on, or was the darkness still there. Did I allow that student to reach beyond the lesson to search for the truth and better understanding.
Was I able to become obsolete to my student?
Teacher's Pay.. your comments responded to..
I went to the Northeastern school board office to get a breakdown of district expenses. The printout was so convoluted I was unable to decipher it. That cute little ploy convinced me to vote against that and subsequent levies.
Thank you for your comment. First, this is not a "cute little ploy", it is the way school districts report their financial picture to the Ohio Department of Education and the State Legislature. This report is designed by the ODE and the Legislature for their purpose. Our Treasurer is more than willing to "decipher" it for you in your terms, if you ask. It is not difficult, once you understand all of the idiosyncrasies involved in school finance and funding formulas and terminologies.
If you want to know what teachers, secretaries, cooks, library aids or anybody else makes as a salary for the NE school district. Go to the board office and pay $2 for the cost of the copies. You are given a detailed summary of everyone’s wages. I am sure all districts are the same.
Thank you for your comment
Northeastern teacher salaries: Why do people resent the salary a teacher gets, it is not much. How would you like to have a class of 30 and control them and send them home to parents who don’t teach them. Let’s publish your salary.
Teacher salaries are public. Go to www.casbohio.org. Click on CASB data.
Thank you for your comment. My next input on this blog page will hopefully outline my thoughts on teachers salaries. I will list their classroom responsibilities and the expectations of parents and administrators. I think you will find it eye-opening.
Why are people so concerned with the salaries of Northeastern school teachers? Could some please explain to me why there complaining about this so much?
Travis Aker
2:24 AM, 3/13/2010
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Travis; thank you for your comment. Education finance is the most confusing and difficult aspect of public perception. It is perceived as "slight of hand" magic and deceptive. It is neither. When dealing with the Ohio Department of Education and the State Legislature, all realms of common sense financial reporting is forgotten.
Teachers in the NE school district are hardly part time workers. They are required to work 7.5 hours per day, but most stay longer and then still take work home. Teachers are working when the students are not in the classroom - planning and preparing lessons and grading assignments. Also they only get 15 sick days each year, not 30. I am tired of all the false statements about teachers.
Tired
3:19 PM, 3/12/2010
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Tired: thank you for your comment. This goes for teachers in all school districts who are committed to educating children. I am putting together a list of responsibilities and expectations of our teachers that I have observed and resourced over the years. One reason for this blog is that there is a lot of uninformed, misinformed and "don't want to be informed" people.
Very few of the 70K+ salaries you see are for classroom teachers. In many districts, even the highest degreed 30yr veteran teacher won't make that much. Most of the salaries are much lower.
As a teacher, I am NOT complaining about my salary and benefits, but I am not denying that they are earned. We do a difficult, important job and deserve a fair wage. It's unfair to expect teachers to make less just because you do.
Teachers R 4 Students
2:49 PM, 3/12/2010
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Teachers R 4 Students: thank you for your comment. AMEN
School employees do not work 8 hour days. If a teacher has to take some work home once in a while so be it. Teachers have always said they were over worked and underpaid, but considering off in the summer, spring break,Christmas break and numerous sick days(usually around 30) and government holidays that most working people do not get. Even a starting teaching making 30 some thousand a year starting out makes more than many college graduates. Working 8 months a year is still a great benefit.
Part time workers
2:17 PM, 3/12/2010
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Part time workers: thank you for your comment. I hope you read my blog coming shortly. Suffice to say that some teacher take the summer months to supplement their salary, some to work toward their Master's Degree that they are required to attain, others to work with children in summer programs and remedial classes. The opportunity to become a teacher and enjoy the benefits are open to those who are willing to take on the required college work, the low starting pay, be required to ge a Master's degree, teach children, and do all that is required and expected.
When I started teaching in 1976, my contract was $9600. It finally rose to ~$60,000 after I had taught over 25 years, received a masters degree, took on extra duty (club advisor, sports). When you consider the exorbitant salaries for some professions, teachers, police, and firefighters ate woefully underpaid. By the way, I speak only for teachers, not paper-pushers. All districts have plenty of them. Put them back in the classrooms, at least once every 5 years, for a reality check.
n
10:04 AM, 3/12/2010
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n: thank you for your comment. Points all well taken.
Whoever it was, thank you so much for informing us of the CASB website.
A bunch of those salaries are in the 70s, 80s, and 90 thousands. I thought educators were so underpaid??
Thank you for your comment. I looked at the people listed on the web page and found that there are three districts known as "northeastern local". Look at the salaries of those teachers who are in our buildings. Some of those schools listed are not part of our district. Our buildings are Northeastern, Kenton Ridge, Rolling Hills, South Vienna Middle and Elementary schools and Northridge Middle and Elementary schools. Clairmont Northeastern High School and Tinora School is not part of our Northeastern Local School District. Further, some teachers teach specialized classes such as sciences, math, and other difficult curriculums.
Thank you for your comment. First, this is not a "cute little ploy", it is the way school districts report their financial picture to the Ohio Department of Education and the State Legislature. This report is designed by the ODE and the Legislature for their purpose. Our Treasurer is more than willing to "decipher" it for you in your terms, if you ask. It is not difficult, once you understand all of the idiosyncrasies involved in school finance and funding formulas and terminologies.
If you want to know what teachers, secretaries, cooks, library aids or anybody else makes as a salary for the NE school district. Go to the board office and pay $2 for the cost of the copies. You are given a detailed summary of everyone’s wages. I am sure all districts are the same.
Thank you for your comment
Northeastern teacher salaries: Why do people resent the salary a teacher gets, it is not much. How would you like to have a class of 30 and control them and send them home to parents who don’t teach them. Let’s publish your salary.
Teacher salaries are public. Go to www.casbohio.org. Click on CASB data.
Thank you for your comment. My next input on this blog page will hopefully outline my thoughts on teachers salaries. I will list their classroom responsibilities and the expectations of parents and administrators. I think you will find it eye-opening.
Why are people so concerned with the salaries of Northeastern school teachers? Could some please explain to me why there complaining about this so much?
Travis Aker
2:24 AM, 3/13/2010
REPORT ABUSE
Travis; thank you for your comment. Education finance is the most confusing and difficult aspect of public perception. It is perceived as "slight of hand" magic and deceptive. It is neither. When dealing with the Ohio Department of Education and the State Legislature, all realms of common sense financial reporting is forgotten.
Teachers in the NE school district are hardly part time workers. They are required to work 7.5 hours per day, but most stay longer and then still take work home. Teachers are working when the students are not in the classroom - planning and preparing lessons and grading assignments. Also they only get 15 sick days each year, not 30. I am tired of all the false statements about teachers.
Tired
3:19 PM, 3/12/2010
REPORT ABUSE
Tired: thank you for your comment. This goes for teachers in all school districts who are committed to educating children. I am putting together a list of responsibilities and expectations of our teachers that I have observed and resourced over the years. One reason for this blog is that there is a lot of uninformed, misinformed and "don't want to be informed" people.
Very few of the 70K+ salaries you see are for classroom teachers. In many districts, even the highest degreed 30yr veteran teacher won't make that much. Most of the salaries are much lower.
As a teacher, I am NOT complaining about my salary and benefits, but I am not denying that they are earned. We do a difficult, important job and deserve a fair wage. It's unfair to expect teachers to make less just because you do.
Teachers R 4 Students
2:49 PM, 3/12/2010
REPORT ABUSE
Teachers R 4 Students: thank you for your comment. AMEN
School employees do not work 8 hour days. If a teacher has to take some work home once in a while so be it. Teachers have always said they were over worked and underpaid, but considering off in the summer, spring break,Christmas break and numerous sick days(usually around 30) and government holidays that most working people do not get. Even a starting teaching making 30 some thousand a year starting out makes more than many college graduates. Working 8 months a year is still a great benefit.
Part time workers
2:17 PM, 3/12/2010
REPORT ABUSE
Part time workers: thank you for your comment. I hope you read my blog coming shortly. Suffice to say that some teacher take the summer months to supplement their salary, some to work toward their Master's Degree that they are required to attain, others to work with children in summer programs and remedial classes. The opportunity to become a teacher and enjoy the benefits are open to those who are willing to take on the required college work, the low starting pay, be required to ge a Master's degree, teach children, and do all that is required and expected.
When I started teaching in 1976, my contract was $9600. It finally rose to ~$60,000 after I had taught over 25 years, received a masters degree, took on extra duty (club advisor, sports). When you consider the exorbitant salaries for some professions, teachers, police, and firefighters ate woefully underpaid. By the way, I speak only for teachers, not paper-pushers. All districts have plenty of them. Put them back in the classrooms, at least once every 5 years, for a reality check.
n
10:04 AM, 3/12/2010
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n: thank you for your comment. Points all well taken.
Whoever it was, thank you so much for informing us of the CASB website.
A bunch of those salaries are in the 70s, 80s, and 90 thousands. I thought educators were so underpaid??
Thank you for your comment. I looked at the people listed on the web page and found that there are three districts known as "northeastern local". Look at the salaries of those teachers who are in our buildings. Some of those schools listed are not part of our district. Our buildings are Northeastern, Kenton Ridge, Rolling Hills, South Vienna Middle and Elementary schools and Northridge Middle and Elementary schools. Clairmont Northeastern High School and Tinora School is not part of our Northeastern Local School District. Further, some teachers teach specialized classes such as sciences, math, and other difficult curriculums.
Saturday, March 6, 2010
need and opportunity.......my response
NEED AND OPPORTUNITY….NEW SCHOOLS IN A BAD ECONOMY
One of the loudest statement's I've heard from those opposing the Board of Education plan to build new schools is that the economy is bad, people are out of work or had their hours cut back, or businesses are closing down, or...the list goes on and on. As true as all of these comments are, the fact remains we have a "need" for new buildings. Not only are these buildings costing more to maintain, but the need for safe schools over the past 50 years have changed for the worse. In addition, technology has advanced far beyond what we are capable of providing for children in order to compete for college and the job market.
When I hear the arguments concerning the economy, I am drawn to a "needs" and "opportunity" scenario. Basically, this is the entire argument for placing the bond issue for new schools. It is a matter of "need" and "opportunity". We've always had the "need", but the "opportunity" was never prevalent due to the economy and other factors. Today, we also have the "opportunity". This "opportunity" allows us to have new schools without bearing the total cost for them.
Back in the late 90’s the board began looking at the Ohio School Facilities Commission program that was providing large percentage of funding for districts to build new facilities. At that time, we were way down the list for being considered for our share of the funding. Also, at the time, we were having difficulty with four of our buildings needing major repair on roofs, plumbing, electrical and other maintenance issues. We finally passed a 4 year Permanent Improvement Levy for 4 mills in March 2000after the Clark County Combined Health District intervened telling us the possibility of closing Northridge school. The roofs were replaced and other maintenance problems were completed. These repairs were only band aids to the real need for new schools. Still the need was there.
In 2001 we looked at ways to utilize the benefit of the OSFC funding opportunity and found that we could get credit towards new school construction if we were to build new buildings before our time for consideration. The board placed a 3.9 mill bond issue for the construction of two new middle schools,upon which time the opportunity came for the OSFC funds, we would receive credit from the OSFC toward a portion of what had already been spent on the new buildings. However, this bond issue was rejected five times and the sixth time was withdrawn.
In 2006 we were advised that our opportunity with the OSFC was coming due. There were assessments done on our buildings and plans were drawn up. One of the requirements by the OSFC is that the district had to have a .5 mill Continuous Permanent Improvement Levy on the books before any funding would be awarded. Realizing the difficulty this district has in getting levies passed, we place a 1 mill Continuous Permanent Improvement Levy on the ballot, part of which was the .5 mill requirement and another .5 mill to help with the current and continuing maintenance issues our old buildings were having. Remember, the 4 mill Permanent Improvement Levy passed in 2000 was only for 4 years and had ended in 2004.
This 1 mill Continuous Permanent Improvement Levy took five ballots before finally passing in November 2008! Upon passage, we were able and eligible to seek a sharing of funding from the OSFC for the construction of new schools and the remodeling of other buildings. By this time, the OSFC had re-evaluated our buildings. They determined that the cost of remodeling certain buildings was more than the threshold of 2/3 the cost of rebuilding new schools. As a result, the original plans for construction and remodeling our buildings had been narrowed to total construction of new buildings.
So where does the “need” and “opportunity” come in? Simply this, the "need" has been around for many years, however, "opportunity" was never available because of many factors such as the economy, people’s preferences to what should be rebuilt or remodeled, one side blaming the other, one side thinking the other gets more, and the list goes on. The board attempted to discuss the need but the interest for new schools was not there.
I’m certain that if the opportunity from the OSFC had not come along, the board would not have place a bond issue for new schools. The board would have given consideration to continuing to provide maintenance of our existing buildings, or if the situation came up that we had to close down one or more buildings we would have considered other alternatives.
This is where the “opportunity” comes in. We have had the “need” for many years; we did not have the “opportunity”. Today we have the "opportunity" to do what is best for our kids, our district, our economy and our future. We, as residents, can live in the past and continue to be fearful of where we are while maintaining our current situation. Or we can look ahead and see what is possible. What is possible is the “opportunity” of someone, the OSFC, in providing 41% or $46.8 million dollars toward new schools. This "opportunity" along with our "need" will allow us to work toward a better and more secure education for our children, stimulate our economy, improve our property values, bring new pride to our district and recreate that once proud feeling of being part of the Northeastern Local School District. We can think of ourselves or we can consider our future.
One of the loudest statement's I've heard from those opposing the Board of Education plan to build new schools is that the economy is bad, people are out of work or had their hours cut back, or businesses are closing down, or...the list goes on and on. As true as all of these comments are, the fact remains we have a "need" for new buildings. Not only are these buildings costing more to maintain, but the need for safe schools over the past 50 years have changed for the worse. In addition, technology has advanced far beyond what we are capable of providing for children in order to compete for college and the job market.
When I hear the arguments concerning the economy, I am drawn to a "needs" and "opportunity" scenario. Basically, this is the entire argument for placing the bond issue for new schools. It is a matter of "need" and "opportunity". We've always had the "need", but the "opportunity" was never prevalent due to the economy and other factors. Today, we also have the "opportunity". This "opportunity" allows us to have new schools without bearing the total cost for them.
Back in the late 90’s the board began looking at the Ohio School Facilities Commission program that was providing large percentage of funding for districts to build new facilities. At that time, we were way down the list for being considered for our share of the funding. Also, at the time, we were having difficulty with four of our buildings needing major repair on roofs, plumbing, electrical and other maintenance issues. We finally passed a 4 year Permanent Improvement Levy for 4 mills in March 2000after the Clark County Combined Health District intervened telling us the possibility of closing Northridge school. The roofs were replaced and other maintenance problems were completed. These repairs were only band aids to the real need for new schools. Still the need was there.
In 2001 we looked at ways to utilize the benefit of the OSFC funding opportunity and found that we could get credit towards new school construction if we were to build new buildings before our time for consideration. The board placed a 3.9 mill bond issue for the construction of two new middle schools,upon which time the opportunity came for the OSFC funds, we would receive credit from the OSFC toward a portion of what had already been spent on the new buildings. However, this bond issue was rejected five times and the sixth time was withdrawn.
In 2006 we were advised that our opportunity with the OSFC was coming due. There were assessments done on our buildings and plans were drawn up. One of the requirements by the OSFC is that the district had to have a .5 mill Continuous Permanent Improvement Levy on the books before any funding would be awarded. Realizing the difficulty this district has in getting levies passed, we place a 1 mill Continuous Permanent Improvement Levy on the ballot, part of which was the .5 mill requirement and another .5 mill to help with the current and continuing maintenance issues our old buildings were having. Remember, the 4 mill Permanent Improvement Levy passed in 2000 was only for 4 years and had ended in 2004.
This 1 mill Continuous Permanent Improvement Levy took five ballots before finally passing in November 2008! Upon passage, we were able and eligible to seek a sharing of funding from the OSFC for the construction of new schools and the remodeling of other buildings. By this time, the OSFC had re-evaluated our buildings. They determined that the cost of remodeling certain buildings was more than the threshold of 2/3 the cost of rebuilding new schools. As a result, the original plans for construction and remodeling our buildings had been narrowed to total construction of new buildings.
So where does the “need” and “opportunity” come in? Simply this, the "need" has been around for many years, however, "opportunity" was never available because of many factors such as the economy, people’s preferences to what should be rebuilt or remodeled, one side blaming the other, one side thinking the other gets more, and the list goes on. The board attempted to discuss the need but the interest for new schools was not there.
I’m certain that if the opportunity from the OSFC had not come along, the board would not have place a bond issue for new schools. The board would have given consideration to continuing to provide maintenance of our existing buildings, or if the situation came up that we had to close down one or more buildings we would have considered other alternatives.
This is where the “opportunity” comes in. We have had the “need” for many years; we did not have the “opportunity”. Today we have the "opportunity" to do what is best for our kids, our district, our economy and our future. We, as residents, can live in the past and continue to be fearful of where we are while maintaining our current situation. Or we can look ahead and see what is possible. What is possible is the “opportunity” of someone, the OSFC, in providing 41% or $46.8 million dollars toward new schools. This "opportunity" along with our "need" will allow us to work toward a better and more secure education for our children, stimulate our economy, improve our property values, bring new pride to our district and recreate that once proud feeling of being part of the Northeastern Local School District. We can think of ourselves or we can consider our future.
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