Comments and responses on the NELSD new plan

The following are responses to the comments and questions posed in the April 23rd article in the Springfield News-Sun, written by Andrew McGinn, titled "Northeastern tweeks building plan for August 3 election". The actual comment will be found in bold with quotation marks. My response will follow the comment.

As I always ask my readers, please validate the truth of my comments. These comments reflect my knowledge of the facts and may not represent the views of the other members of the Northeastern Board of Education.



"Still going to vote NO! The State Supreme Court ruled that suporting schools property tax was Unconstititional, and tasked the legislator to come up with a different plan, Which they haven't!!! How aout a Food Tax? Other states have this, and we could ear-mark it for schools, mental health, Libraries etc....
Who Cares!!
6:47 PM, 4/23/2010"


Who Cares!!: Thank you for your comment. You are correct that the Ohio Supreme Court declared the current funding system for public schools is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court did order the State Legislature to fix the system. The Legislature's "fix" was to give more money to the broken program, while taking it back in unfunded mandates. I've asked the Legislators why they didn't end up in jail for failing to do what the Supreme Court ordered. I also blame the Ohio Supreme Court for not enforcing their ruling...to no avail. I also blame the people in Ohio for allowing the Legislature to continue their "thumbing their noses" at our school funding issue. The ones taking the brunt of this issue are the school systems because they have no other recourse. The school system is the only tax the people have an opportunity to support or reject. The voters in Ohio can't vote no on new jails, or welfare, or medicaid, or other "entitlements". I understand your frustration, however, it will be up to the voters to start making school funding in Ohio a major issue in November and get rid of those who do not support fixing the system. I have presented a plan to my Representative and others, only to get "rhetoric" that we are doing the best we can. Would sure appreciate your help in getting this message across to the Legislature.



"This new plan leaves out the northridge schools that are falling apart. What will the elementary kids do? Also the idea of having the middle schoolers with the high schoolers will be a detriment to their childhood. Are we asking for an early defeat?
Tea
7:07 PM, 4/23/2010"


Tea: thank you for your comment. No. Northridge school is not left out. This plan calls for constructing a PK-4 building at the current site at Northridge school. As for the 5-12 building, this structure will be separate buildings. This was a major concern when developing the plans that the board was presented. We are assured there will be distinct separation of 5-8 and 9-12 students. We are asking our architect to bring together some renderings of buildings they have designed that allows for the division of students. I can assure you that this is a concern, but we are addressing it properly and in the best interest of the children.



"Well, it is 7:30 PM on Friday night. So all the people in NELSD that can't afford any new taxes are out to eat at Texas Roadhouse, BW3, or Red Lobster. Just wait until later tonight or tomorrow morning and they will all tell you how much they can't afford it.
Just Wait
7:48 PM, 4/23/2010"


Just Wait: thank you for your comment. When it comes to children's education, we all have to take a look and make our choices. I plan on supporting the plan because it will greatly benefit children, provide safe schools, and improve our property values.



"Prediction. Another resounding defeat. Do they think we are all not going to be there to vote no in August? Whine all you want. There is no hope for passage.
No No No
8:28 PM, 4/23/2010"


No No No: thank you for your comment. There is always hope. We are not whining, only getting the fact to the public. I trust you have visited our buildings and have seen first hand the condition they are in. I trust you have seen the lack of technology our children are dealing with. The choice is yours at the ballot box.



"Tea, read the article again! It addresses the elementary children. There will be new schools for all except KR will be reconstructed and not knocked down. If you read the blogs, the board addressed everything therefore there is no reason why people cannot vote yes! Let's stop the excuses and think of the future.
Read the article
9:44 PM, 4/23/2010"


Read the article: thank you for your comment. I think it is important that the message continues to be given out. There is a lot of misinformation that needs to be corrected in order for people to vote based on information, not misinformation. We will continue to get our message to the people using this blog, facebook, and other means of communicating.



"I am sorry that this plan was approved. I dislike the idea of having middle and high school students in the same building. Fifth grade is still considered elementary school. Why put 10 year olds in the same building as 17-18 year olds?
Northridge Resident
10:11 PM, 4/23/2010"


Northridge Resident: thank you for your comment. At first, I wasn't entirely sold on the idea either until I started asking questions, talking with our architects and other schools which housed various grade levels as we are proposing. There are many schools in Ohio that have PK-12 in the same building, with different wings. Our buildings will be constructed so that there will be no co-mingling of student in the 5-8 with those in the 9-12. As I stated in a prior response, our architects have designed buildings to handle this division. We have asked them to prepare some renderings of these building for our public to view.



"I do not agree with having 5th grade and up in a High school. Whats next? senoirs dating 5th graders? Thats just sick. Yes Notheastern needs building repairs and or a new building. But dot not put 5th-12th together, you are just asking for trouble.
northeastern grad '89'
10:32 PM, 4/23/2010"


northeastern grad '89': thank you for your comment. We knew this would be a major issue with this plan. Again, it is being addressed and I'm certain once we get the renderings from the Architects and be able to show the people some of their designs, the fears will be less. We are not putting 5th and 12th graders together. We wouldn't consider it. Once we get the designs, I hope you take the opportunity to view the designs, ask questions and determine for yourself how you feel.



"Northridge resident- An earlier news article stated that the middle school students will be kept separate from the high school students, but I agree that fifth graders belong in the elementary. I don't like the idea of 10 year students with 13 and 14 year old students. I wonder why the board made that change.
another NR resident"


another NR resident: thank you for your comment. The board made that change based on the square footage at Kenton Ridge. The OSFC has specific guidelines for the amount of square footage and the number of students in a building. When we originally looked at the number of students that we were considering for Kenton Ridge (6-8 graders) there was more square footage at KR than was required through the OSFC. In order to get the needed funding for the renovation and redesign of KR, we had to increase the number of kids at KR. With the large number that would be at Northridge PK-5 building, it was more beneficial to move the 5th to KR building. Also, the original thought was to have a 6-8 building at KR. With the 7-8 grades able to participate in organized achool athletics, this left the 6th graders sort of in a "limbo" state. We felt by bringing the 5th grade in with the 6-8, it would allow the 6th graders to be with those closer to their situation. It also, allowed us to have the square footage needed to renovate KR. Finally, as I stated in other responses, your 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th grader will not be co-mingling with high school kids. I do appreciate your comment and concern. When more meeting become available, please come and present your concerns.



"A 5-12 building seems like it would cause some staffing issues with certification of teachers. Many districts are going to 7-12 buildings which lines up with Secondary certification.
just a thought
10:56 PM, 4/23/2010"


just a thought: thank you for your comment. You bring up a good question. The certifications are based on grade level, not necessarily on building. There are schools that house PK-12 in one building. Some in two buildings. I will re-address this with our administration, however, I don't believe that certification is an issue on the building.



"I was at the meeting. My understanding for the change is as follows:
1. the OSFC would only partially fund the renovation of KR+new building for a 6-12 school because there would not be enough students occupying the building. Adding the 5th grade solved that issue and lowered the cost to the taxpayer.
2. the proposed PK-5th grade new building at Northridge was going to be quite large. Moving the 5th grade to the 6-12 building reduced the size of the building.
cont-
JC
11:47 PM, 4/23/2010"

cont-
"3. The school administrators at the meeting explained that the 6th graders don't fit together well with the 7th and 8th graders, and felt adding the 5th graders would give the 6th graders a group of kids closer to their maturity level then the 7th and 8th graders. It would allow more opportunities for appropriate level activities for 5th and 6th graders.
JC
11:55 PM, 4/23/2010"

"As for the concern about mixing with high school students, both buildings (NR and KR) would be designed where there wouldn't be mixing of the high school students with the lower grades. They would be in separate wings and wouldn't overlap. As for staffing, my understanding is having one school combining these grades would make staffing better, because currently there are teachers who have to travel between schools.
JC
11:59 PM, 4/23/2010"


JC: thank you for your comment. You are correct with the scenario on why we went with the PK-4 and the 5-12 configuration. Thank you for your response on this.



"Certification is a key issue. When the SCS went to K-6, and then 7-8 buildings, the 7-8 building teachers had to obtain secondary certification, I honestly don't know how seperating by a hallway will make a difference. It is kind of a mute point because the issue won't pass, but I do appreciate the district making an effort in lowering the financial burden to the taxpayers. No still means no.
NE Resident
6:56 AM, 4/24/2010"


NE Resident: thank you for your comment. There was a lot of thought that went into this plan. Certification is an issue, however, not necessarily in the case of building design. As stated before, there are many buildings with various configurations of grades. Certification for certain grade levels are for those levels regardless of the building.



"Were does the Ohio F.S.C. get THERE money. FROM US!! The tax payers!! This money is not FREE!! Vote NO!
Vote No
7:20 AM, 4/24/2010"


Vote No: thank you for your comment. The OSFC got their money from the Tobacco Settlement. Each state received money to use as they saw fit. The Governor and the State Legislature committed this money to be used for the construction of new schools in Ohio. Each district was ranked by need using property valuation. The money does not come from taxes. So before voting no on the basis of your theory, please get the facts.



"As someone who subs through out the county ... if there is a school district that needs new buildings, it is Norhteastern. There are some excellent teachers and support people and great young people. But the buildings are beyond bringing them up to speed for the education in today's world with the skills needed for today. I encourage everybody to visit South Vienna, Northeastern High, or Northridge middle and elementary. See the needfor yourself.
JRF on the right
8:05 AM, 4/24/2010"


JRF on the right: thank you for your comment. Couldn't have said this better myself. Thank you.



"I think this is a good plan that will best serve the needs of the children with costing the taxpayers as litle as possible. I have to pay taxes for a lot of things I don't believe in. I will vote for something that will better the future of the children of Northeastern! DF
DF
8:36 AM, 4/24/2010"


DF: thank you for your comment. Like many of us who pay taxes, I don't like paying taxes for things that I would normally vote no on. Schools are not among these. This is a good plan for kids and for property owners. Thank you for your support.



"More taxes, out of controll spending, sounds familiar.Take care of what have.Stop this madness.VOTE NO NO NO NO NO NO
yogi
8:45 AM, 4/24/2010"


yogi: thank you for your comment. Please let me know what "out of control spending" we have in the district. I am more than willing to address this, but I will need your help in defining the areas.



"Thank you JC for clarifying the comments. Many schools around the US are being built in this manner by being divided in seperate wings. The younger children will never react with the older children. Also, have you thought that many of them probably have brothers in sisters that are in the high school? Not all high schoolers are trouble and mean to younger children. They probably babysit them! Just more excuses..........
Thank You JC
8:50 AM, 4/24/2010"


Thank You JC: thank you for your comment. It would be interesting to know that we have Kindergarten children at Northeastern. In fact, Kindergarten has been at NE for almost 20 years!!! At one time we had Kindergarten children at Kenton Ridge. Never were these children "stomped on", beat up or mistreated. On the contrary, they were reveled by the older children, protected and tutored. I personally know a young man who played football at NE who is a kindergarten and elementary teacher because of his involvement with the Kindergarten children.



"Just had to correct the comment by Vote No. The money from OSFC is NOT tax money from us. It comes from the tobacco settlement so it is FREE money. I hope the no voters of our district will appreciate how hard the board has worked to address their concerns and visit the schools to see for themselves how badly these new schools are needed.
Vote Yes
8:52 AM, 4/24/2010"


Vote Yes: thank you for your comment. Sounds like you have been to some of the meetings and did your homework. Thank you for your support.



"Again it's No...it will only raise your taxes on a hundred thousand dollar home $237.00 a year.ok how many live in a house that price.so if your house is over that add it up doesn't look pretty.i'm sure i speak for others as well as myself we can't afford more taxes.retired my income doesn't go up,yours does.the vote is still NO NO NO.I worked forty-two years and paid and supported the schools.
can ya hear me NO NO
10:11 AM, 4/24/2010"


can ya hear me NO NO: thank you for your comment. My only response is that if this passes, you will also enjoy the benefit of your property valuation going up. If it fails, you will also suffer the fate of your property valuation going down. The choice is yours at the ballot box. PS: you may be surprised to know that not only has my pay not increased in 4 years, but my hours were cut in half from September until April! Your pay stayed the same! I will still support kids and find a way to afford my taxes for schools.



""Can you hear me.."
I understand what you are saying. Most incomes haven't gone up (mine included). I'll be paying much more then the $235.00, but I'll vote YES.

"yogi" They have been trying to take care of what they have even with the community voting down almost every levy in the past (usually takes 5 tries or a threat from the health dept to close a school before the community will pass a levy). Out of control spending? this plan is actually over $25,000,000 less then the original.
JC
10:39 AM, 4/24/2010"


JC: again thank you for your comment. I appreciate your input to the comments. It shows you have been to the meetings, asked the questions, did your research and know the board is working to do the best for kids. Thank you for your support.



"For supposely educated people I wonder about your intelegence. You are smart in pulling the wool over the simple peoples eyes.Renters that don,t realize the landlords adding the extra high tax to thier rent.The simple that thinks it's going to add jobs "look at springfield". And last with all the previous levies still attached in the future other big operating levies will come. the lottery hasn't stopped the levies from coming.
glen grim"


glen grim: thank you for your comment. I'm not sure to whom your comment is directed. Fact is that people who rent (as you implied) do pay property taxes in their rent. Yes, the landlord pays the rent, but if the landlord doesn't include the property tax in the tenant's rent, then the landlord is not an astute business person. At one time, my wife and I rented when we were first married. I remember our rent increased due to increase in the property tax increase. Our landlord explained why he was raising our rent. Yes, you are correct when you state this plan, if passed, will help to add jobs to the area. It may not stimulate the entire economy, but it will have a positive impact on the area. Interesting comment about the lottery. I am working on a blog message about the lottery and how it was "supposed" to help fund Ohio's schools. The Lottery commercials don't mention that anymore simply because it is not true.



"“That’s a good thing for the community,” said district spokeswoman Linda Wallace.

When are higher taxes ever a good thing for a community?
enough already
12:10 PM, 4/24/2010"


enough already: thank you for your comment. Higher taxes are not a good thing for any community. However, failing schools are not a good thing for the community either. She was referring to the need for new schools and how they will benefit the community. If you have a better way of getting the funds to construct new buildings, the school boards in Ohio will be more than happy to learn.



"If you can afford to live in a house more than $100,000 you can afford $250 year.
Thoughtr
12:26 PM, 4/24/2010"


Thoughtr: thank you for your comment. When you break it down, $250 a year is about $21.00 a month. I can find that picking up change off the ground, or a variety of other cost cutting or cost saving plans.



"I have engaged board members and president personally. Each encounter... ended with a condescending retort with me being told... I didn't know waht I was talking about... I should check my facts... I should not engage my key-board till I knew all the facts... It goes on. I am well educated, successful in business and am tired of of the narcissistic arrogance of this board... Well here's a FACT for you, Next time try some humility and you win me over. Not this time... I am done.
pauly
1:55 PM, 4/24/2010"


pauly: thank you for your comment. Pauly, I don't recall you (if this is your real name) asking or engaging me about this issue and then being condescending to you in person. My comment to you in previous blogs was based on what you stated was not facutal. And I again will say that you need to get the facts. I don't know if you live in the district or not, or if you have ever been to a meeting. If you had, you would know that I am respectful to those who comment or ask a question. I am also direct to those who make comments in public that don't have the facts and it turn get everyone riled up. Like you, I am educated, but I also try to understand the issues that are being addressed and be able to make an intelligent comment. All that I have asked is that people come to the meetings, ask questions, get the information and then, if you are in disagreement, at least we will agree to disagree.



"I plan to vote no to all levies on the ballot, we are told the Library levy would only be $42.60 per $100,000. of property value, then the Elderly United another $31.50, then all the other added levies and fees the city and county can come up with, now or in the near future. There is no gurantee of more jobs. In fact if the Navistar moved out what would be left? The new hospital has lost the trust of citizens. As hard as it is citizens can't afford all of this.
Lulu51
6:47 PM, 4/24/2010"


Lulu51: thank you for your comment. I understand the frustration that people have over levys. It seems that every organization that gets funding cut from the state puts a levy on to recover the loss. I guess my only defense is that the Library will not increase your property values, the Elderly United will not increase your property values, voting for roads, emergency and fire levies, MRDD and other organizations will not increase your property values. Only the schools will help your property values. From this information, you can make your choice at the ballot box.



"With the treasurer of the Northeastern district making over 160 thousand dollars a year. I say take pay cuts or I vote NO!!! I am sick of over paid school worker salaries. None of them even work an 8 hour day. Or work 9 months out of the year. And still get what, 30 sick days a year, and personal days also. Get paid when school shuts down because of weather. Most people I know , if you do not go to work you do not get paid, or at least you would have to use a personal day.
Pay cut
7:02 PM, 4/24/2010"


Pay cut: thank you for your comment. First, the Treasurer does not make $160 thousand a year. She makes about $92 thousand a year. She does collect retirement that she has earned working for the public service. I have a blog entry on the pay for teachers that would interest you. Also, I am working on a pay blog for administrators ,that will cause you to rethink the "over paid" comment. I'm sure if many people would get the education, certification, and degrees that are required to be a teacher, then get the higher degrees, certifications and qualifications to be an administrator, you may rethink the "over paid" comment. In addition, the responsibility that an administrator or teacher has is more than most people can realize. I only hope people would questions what teachers and administrators in our schools really do. You'd be shocked.



"Pay Cut I'm not voting for the levy, but you are throwing out some very inaccurate information! First of all, only the teachers work a nine month year, and they are paid ONLY for those NINE months, the salary is spread over twelve months. It is my understanding that district administrative personnel work twelve months a year, if the Treasurer is making that much, that is crazy! More likely, that is the salary/benefits package for the Superintendent. Please don't lump the teachers into this
NE Resident
7:21 PM, 4/24/2010"


NE Resident: thank you for your comment. First, the Treasurer, makes about $92 thousand a year, the Superintendent makes about $105 thousand a year. Yes, the administration works 12 months a year, often with only 1 week vacation! The Superintendent and Treasurer both work directly for the board and are "on call" 24hours a day, 7 days a week. I know because I've called them at all hours after getting calls from residents on issues. When their pay is broken down by the hour, you would know they make very little compared with the responsibility and acoountabiltiy they have to the board and the community. These are not 8-5 jobs by no means. Same thing applies to teachers. Many go to school to get higher degrees, work summer education programs, evening programs with kids at the school and other areas that the public is unaware. I'm proud of our faculty, staff and administration. And even though you are voting no, I thank you for your comment.



"I propose that we create a law that bans multiple levy attempts in the same year. In fact, how about one attempt every 365 days. I myself am getting tired of voting no and the board just does not respect the voters wishes.If the levy passed, could we put a hold on it for 6 months then have everyone vote on it again ? As long as we are still a democracy, how about we act like one and respect the voters decisions the first time.
weary voter
8:50 PM, 4/24/2010"


weary voter: thank you for your comment. If this was the case, the schools in the NELSD would be at Catawba, Plattsburg, West Side and New Moorefield. We do respect the voters wishes, but we also realize the need to have better education for children. Surprisingly, there are people in this district who value education and will work to make it better. We have a need for new schools and an opportunity for the OSFC to help pay for them. As a board member, I have a responsibility to do whatever is possible to take advantage of the opportunity. People depend on the board to do that.



""JC" Thats your choice as to which way you vote, and that's great that you can afford to pay higher taxes on a fixed income. but myself and alot of people like me aren't able to do that. My income will stay like it is and how will we pay when they will continually ask for more, this is not the end. I guess they want to see us on the street, then they won't get any taxes.So I will still say NO!!
can you hear me
9:25 PM, 4/24/2010"


can you hear me: thank you for your comment. Yes, we understand that you and may others are on a fixed income. For you, that is good. There are many others who are not because their pay has been cut, hours cut and still they support new schools because they know the importance of education for their children. They also understand the importance of strong property values....the same property values that you enjoy. These people are willing to sacrifice $20 a month to have better education. Again, the choice is yours at the ballot box.

Speak-Up response from April 18th edition

The Sunday, April 18th, edition of the Springfield News-Sun had three comments in the SPEAK UP section concerning the Northeastern Local School District. I would like to address these comments, as they are somewhat misleading and not entirely factual.

As has been the "spirit" of this blog, I encourage everyone who reads my blog to research my response or any articles I write to assure I am responding factually and sincerely. It is most important that the truth is presented on all sides so the people can make informed decisions about any issue, especially those affecting the school district.


COMMENT #1:
"Re Northeastern school tax: I’ll vote “yes” and give up my hard-earned $7,000 over 28 years only when the staff and teachers do the same. I keep hearing, “It’s all about the kids,” but I don’t see anyone sacrificing other than the homeowners."


Thank you for your comment. Those members of our faculty, staff and administration who reside in the district are homeowners also and would "sacrifice" for the good of the schools just like other "homeowners" in the district. They are not exempt from their share of the property tax. In addition, many contribute countless hours of volunteering for the levy, trying to get the facts out about our schools. In addition, those who do not reside in the district also donate a lot of time, effort and even contribute their money toward the levy campaign.



COMMENT #2:
"Northeastern voters...don’t be lulled into complacency by the school board’s efforts to “downsize” their plan. There may be fewer new buildings, but the total price tag of over $100 million hasn’t changed. The board also hasn’t dealt with the need to come back to voters within two years for an operating levy. When will they understand, “No” means “no!”"


Thank you for your comment. The "downsizing" of the plan is not downsizing as much as listening to the comments from voters who said they had issues with the original plan. Those issues were:
(1) the voters wanted to keep a building in South Vienna.
(2) they wanted to keep Kenton Ridge.
(3) they didn't want 37 years to repay the cost.
(4) they didn't want an income tax.
(5) they were cautious about the economy.

The Board of Education, the Core Committee and the Building Advisory Committee looked at these concerns and worked out several plans to address these issues. With the aid of the Ohio School Facility Commission (OSFC), the plans were presented to the voters in two community meetings and one board meeting. The plan selected was the one most popular with the people who attended the meetings.

The only "downsizing" was that we could no longer have the extra gymnasiums and auditoriums that the original plan contained. These Locally Funded Initiatives (LFI's) were the cause for the Income Tax. Since we can only place an income tax on the ballot twice in a 12 month period, this was no longer an option.

By constructing a PK-5 building in South Vienna, renovating or redesigning Kenton Ridge and then adding onto KR, constructing a PK-5 building at Northridge site, we were able to reduce the cost from $111 million (cost without the LFI's) to about $103 million (exact figures will be coming from the OSFC shortly). This plan addresses 4 of the 5 issues. The issue of the economy is one that will be aided when construction begins and many local companies will have the opportunity to bid on these jobs.

Addressing your issue about coming back with an operating levy. The board never said we wouldn't be placing an operating levy on the ballot, nor did we give any time frame. In this economy, cost continue to rise due to inflation. Pending no cuts from the State Legislature and no additional unfunded mandates from the Ohio Department of Education and the Legislature, we are hopeful that additional operating money may be delayed. Should the ODE or the Legislature place more unfunded mandates or further cuts to education, then we will look first at cutting costs without effecting children's education. When the cuts affect education, then we will address it with the residents to see what they wish to do.



COMMENT #3:
"When the Northeastern levy comes up again, just say “no.” I told them about the Pepsi Refresh project and they didn’t even try."


Thank you for your comment. I know this situation very well, because you discussed it with Mr. Broderick and me prior to our March board meeting. You failed to provide the whole story in your comment. However, I will address the facts.

First, you showed Mr. Broderick and me samples of dollars that could be gained by this promotion. Mr. Broderick and I stated at the time that the district could not be a "sponsor" of one product over another, but that you should direct this to our Athletic Directors, teachers, booster organizations or other groups. We, in fact, encouraged you to talk with the distict's organizations and groups.

The school district, as an entity, could not promote one product over another. It would not be ethical nor would it be legal. I don't recall any of the samples you showed being a school district. There were many groups, organizations, classes and a school building, but no school districts in the samples that I saw.

It is not a case that we "didn't try", it was a case that we could not follow through with the program. We did suggest that you talk with the organizations in our district and see if they have any interest.

For those who are interested in learning about the Pepsi Refresh project, go to www.refresheverything.com. There you will find a lot of information on how to generate money for your club or organization.

special response

This continues my responses to the April 9th article. The individual I wish to offer my response to has challenged me to tell the truth.



"Mr. Kadel, Clearly you misrepresented the truth by telling voters that that you had to pass it or the funds would not be available. I call that lying. In addition, when I contacted the state they indicated that the option to remodel was always there. The board tried to pressure voters by telling us that is was a "one time only deal." Turns out it was not. How do you expect people to trust you when you have a proven history of, let's call it "compromising" haha Lying.
youcanttrusttheboard"
9:35 PM, 4



youcanttrusttheboard: thank you for your comment. First, let me say that the board or the administration never stated it was a "one time" offer. The OSFC gives a school district one year to get the district's share of the funds for new construction. The clock started on August 24, 2009. Referring to the "one time" offer means we have one year to get our share. There were some who took this to mean one election. There were many others who understood what was said. We have stated many times that it was one year. You may refer to it as misrepresentation or lying; I refer to it as misinterpretation.

When the OSFC came into the district and assessed our buildings prior to our opportunity to get the funds, their evaluation was to abandon all buildings. As a result, the various plans we had on the table at the time, were removed and only about 3 or 4 plans which were to build new was considered. At that time, we were informed the only way we would be eligible for the funding was to abandon all buildings and replace them with new buildings. This is documented.

There was no pressure by the board or anyone else to get this levy passed. Once a voter got to the ballot box, there was no board member, administrator or anyone who forced the voter to vote yes. All we did was offer the facts as to why the buildings were needed and let the voters make their decision at the ballot box.



"Moreover, only an operation using public funds would promote and hire a proven failure (PR person). In the private market you would be fired and someone new would be hired to do a better job. In the private market the Wellness position would be added to someone else's existing position and you probably would not even get a raise. Need I remind you that we the voters are paying for these decisions, that to me sound like simple bad business practice. Kadel you missed the point on that one.
youcantrusttheboard"
9:40 PM, 4/10/2010

Again, thank you for your comment. When dealing with public sector and having to place levies for funding, there is no magic formula for being successful at the ballot box. What is important is to get information to the public and let them decide. If you go to the Northeastern School District Website and find the history of passing levies in the district, you will find that it takes 5+ times in order to pass a levy. the PR person is used for more than trying to pass levies. They are used to get information to the public about what is going on in the district, promote the events that is being put on, show the successes of our students, faculty, staff and administration. In addition, "show off" the good things going on. We have always had a lot of good things happening in the district that never got promoted or advertised. As a result, many good things were never known.



"Lastly Mr. Kadel, Why do you fear responding to these concerns in a public forum. You want me to call you so the rest of the voters won't hear your response? Typical!
youcanttrusttheboard"
9:43 PM, 4/10/2010


Again, thank you for your comment. I do not fear responding to the comments. Normally when the board of education gets letters that are unsigned, or signed "concerned citizen" or some other name other than an individual, it is generally discarded because we do not know to whom to respond. Even in this forum, I don't know if I am responding to someone in the district or outside the district. I do know some of the people who comment, however, I would never give their name. Secondly, I never respond to the public forum because it would take a lot of time to set and wait for comments like yours. I have a day job that I choose not to respond during that time. I use my evenings to make these responses.

As I stated, I do this blog because it is never "edited" or abused by me, only those who wish to remain anonymous. As to fearing that the voters won't hear my response, first you should come to a board meeting or community meeting and see if I fear making a response. Secondly, I have told the papers public forum where to find my responses. Anyone can get on this blog and read the responses. I do not fear telling the truth, nor do I hide behind any other name than Leonard Kadel.

I don't know if you have been to any of our meetings or work sessions, but I encourage you to come and see for yourself how we function. This board of education is made up of 5 individuals of character and integrity, who's only motivation is to provide the children of our district a good, quality education, and to be fiscally responsible and good stewards to the resident's money. We do that.

Added responses to the April 9 article

Upon completing the list of comments from the April 9th article titled "Northeastern offers revamped building plan", written by Megan Gildow, I noticed there were a few more that needed to be addressed.



"Isn't Northridge School only 15 years older than KR? Northridge is in terrible shape. Won't we need to replace the original part of KR before this bond issue is paid off?
just wondering
7:08 PM, 4/9/2010"


just wondering: thank you for your comment. Fact is Northridge was built the same time South Vienna was built and on the same building plan. It was built in 1961 (I know because I was in the first class at South Vienna). So I guess I just "dated" me. Kenton Ridge was built in 1975, 14 years later. Now to answer your question, yes. Schools built in the 50's, 60's and 70's were built to last about 30 years. Actually, with the rapid growth in technology I wonder about what will be needed within 10 years. Kenton Ridge will be 64 years old when this bond issue, if passed, expires.



"Not sure about variable interest rates. There wasn't mention of that at the meeting. I'm sure though Mr. Kadel could answer that question on his blog
http://nelsdschoolboardtruth.blogsp...

There was brief mention about possibly getting low interest loans through the federal stimulus package but no guarantee we could get it, but it seemed the school board was investigating those opportunities.
JC
8:36 PM, 4/9/2010
REPORT ABUSE
where did you get your information regarding variable rate? was it mentioned in a meeting? i don't see it in this article, wondering where the info originated?
variable rate?
7:49 PM, 4/9/2010
REPORT ABUSE
Interesting fact about variable rates. In today's market, the interest rates really only have 1 direction to go and that's up. This does mean that the cost only has one way to go also and that's up. Why hasn't anyone brought this up before? Does anyone have a true handle on the actual costs or isn't that a concern? I can't see how anyone can make a purchase and hope that somehow things will work themselves out. Can anyone answer this?
Actual Costs
7:36 PM, 4/9/2010"



to the "variable rate" issue comments: as stated in a previous post, I will be looking into this issue and have a separate post. It is one that I know very little about, however, between our District Treasurer and Bond Council, I can respond to you and learn something more myself.

There was a comment made about some opportunities for some interest free money from the state and federal government, however, there was no guarantee of this money and therefore should not be anticipated. Rest assured we are looking into the opportunity and will do whatever is needed to get it. We do know that Ohio is no longer in the running for the RACE TO THE TOP (RTTP) funding from the federal government. Our district was among those in the state that did participate. There were some districts which did not.



"Seriously? Ok, so first they told us it could not go back on the ballot(lie), then they told us that you had to tear down bldgs and re-build(lie)then to top it all off they paid a PR person $40K per year to get the levy passed(FAILURE) then after failing twice instead of letting the PR lady go...... they hire her on full time as the PR/Wellness Coord. Who promotes and hires failures? Now they want us to trust them with millions more dollars??? PSSSSHHH!
youcanttrusttheboard
9:43 PM, 4/9/2010"


youcanttrusttheboard: thank you for your comment. I wish you would have been at the March 18th meeting, the March 25th board meeting and last evening's meeting. You would have heard the facts to your question. First, we never said we could not go back on the ballot. We stated we had one year from August 24, 2009 to take advantage of the 41% free money from the OSFC by passing our share of the cost of new buildings which would be 59%. August 3, 2010 is our last chance for the "guaranteed" money. If the levy fails, we go into a different status with the OSFC that would not guarantee the money or the 41%. In my opinion, most likely the money will be confiscated by the State of Ohio to help fund their budget short fall.

Secondly, we developed our original plan around the OSFC guideline that any building falling within the 2/3 range of cost to renovate vs cost to rebuild range would have to rebuild if the cost to renovate was 2/3 the cost to rebuild. Per the OSFC's assessment, all of our buildings fell into that range. It was after the original plan to rebuld under their assessment, that they changed their ruling from a mandate to a guideline. This allowed us to re-instate the renovation or redesign of Kenton Ridge.

Finally, the "PR person" was brought on for more than passing a levy. There is a recent state mandate that we hire a "wellness coordinator". We took the opportunity to hire one person for both jobs. We would have been required to have on anyway. It is like hiring a football coach and getting a National Board Certified Math Teacher. We have one of those also.



"Leonard Kadel why dont you respond to the below comment? Is this true? Sounds like you have a problem here. Why dont you tell them how the state will eventually pay the entire cost if the levy never passes? Your dishonesty is disgraceful and typical of your district and board.
answersplease
9:55 PM, 4/9/2010"


answersplease: thank you for your comment. I just responded to "canttrusttheboard" as you requested and I promised. Personally, I don't know if you are being sarcastic or hateful. The state has never promised to pay the entire cost if the levy never passes. Where have I been dishonest or disgraceful? I'm really confused. Please contact me at 325-7615 through the board office. I would love to discuss this with you, especially if you are questioning my integrity and honesty.



"I'm a graduate of the NE school syst., a parent of children in SV schools, and a teacher in a neighboring school. I support every levy, believe in our school systems and understand the complexities of funding/resources, etc. That being said, I am disappointed in the sarcasm and tone Mr. Kadel is choosing to use in his responses. I hate to publicly state that; however, I DO NOT believe that is helpful to the NE cause. Frustration is understood, however, sarcasm isn't a way to gain supporters.
Former NE student/NE parent
10:58 PM, 4/9/2010"


Former NE student/NE parent: thank you for your comment. I appreciate you candor. No offense is being taken by your comment, in fact I can't argue against it. First, let me defend my responses by saying that I know some of those who are commenting and they know that I am not very "politically correct" in my responses. We therefore have a mutual agreement to be direct and sometimes mutually sarcastic. Frustration isn't something I choose to use as an excuse. I use the term disappointed by the uninformed who choose to make comments without getting the other side, people who choose to think of themselves before their children's education, and who choose to discuss the state of their schools without knowing the state of their schools. But, that being said, I do appreciate and respect your observation and ask that you understand my position.

Response to Article on the Northeastern plan

Boy, the comments came fast and furious this morning. I don't think Megan's computer was cooled down before the "no birds" started. It was like they couldn't wait for the opportunity to see the headline with the word "Northeastern" in it.

Anyway here are my responses to the comments from the article titled "Northeastern offers revamped building plan". Due to the number of comments and some of the "stinkin thinkin'" we are reading, I will respond to those that are different in nature and content.

As always, I ask you not to take my word as the truth. Check out for yourself what I am saying to assure I am telling the truth.




"How hard is "NO" to understand??? Maybe you board members should clean out your ears. Just because someone is dangling money in front of your nose does NOT MEAN IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO TAKE IT. Look at SPFLD TWSHP TRUSTEES they know whne the time IS NOT RIGHT - YOU COULD LEARN A THING OR TWO FROM THEM IF YOU BOTHERED TO CLEAN OUT YOUR EARS AND THINK!!!
no more taxes
6:25 AM, 4/9/2010"


no more taxes: thank you for your comment. First, when someone "dangles" any money in front of me to build new schools and it is tax free, I will take every opportunity to try to get new schools for our kids. It is easy to sit in the "cheap seats" and criticize the actions of those responsible for your children's education, and when the education diminishes, those are the ones who will scream loudest because they haven't cleaned their brains.



"Just a little secret for all you "No" voters: this issue will mysteriously pass next time around...no matter how many 'no' votes it gets. Things like these have a way of working themselves out. Just wait and see.
Hahaha!!
6:47 AM, 4/9/2010"


Hahaha!!: thank you for your comment...I think. Don't understand how it would pass if there are more no votes than yes votes. Guess it has to do with "things working themselves out"?



"I find it odd that yesterday K.R. is not good a enough building to keep, but today, it is!! What else are you NOT telling the tax payers!!
Vote NO
6:52 AM, 4/9/2010"


Vote NO: thank you for your comment. If you had been to the meeting last night, you would have learned how this came about. The OSFC changed their standards after many school districts were experiencing similar complaints about having buildings, that appeared to be in decent shape, torn down. This standard was changed after we had commited to the original plan and had the OSFC commit to us for total demolition and rebuilding. At the time, we could not change in the middle of the stream. The OSFC has changed their standard from a "mandate" to a "recommendation".



"If the levy mysteriously passes in August then the NO VOTERS should all get together and have it put back on the ballot in November to be revoked. If the school district can keep putting it back on the ballot then the voters should be able to do the same thing. KEEP VOTING NO EVERYONE. NO MORE TAXES!
NE Resident
7:05 AM, 4/9/2010"


NE Resident: thank you for your comment. I guess you can do this, at your expense. But I don't know why you would want to "short change" the children?



"1. Higher tax millage to eliminate the income tax , not sneaky at all!
2. Still way to expensive
3. Still NO money for better education
4. Still NO money for all the technology they promise computers,smart boards,etc
5. Still NO answers on additional upkeep costs - you dont suppose they will ask for more, you know they will ?
6. How are Graham and many other district's budgets doing after they built news schools ??
how stupid do they think we r"


how stupid do they think we r: thank you for your comment. Too expensive? I this fails and we get no help from the OSFC, wait until we have to build new schools in the future while paying 100% of the cost. It is your choice at the ballot box. No money for better education? Have you contacted your State Representative about fixing school funding? I have, and I do it regularly. Where did you get the information about technology? We will have the technology, we don't have the infra-structure to put technology in now. (6), go ask them. Talk with a teacher, or a student, or a parent.



"NO NO NO NO the school board is not listening re-election is not in your future nor is getting your money for schools we don't want or need. If you want new schools fund it through a sales tax/income tax where non poperty owners do not carry the whole burden. Think before you get your new offices, stop double dipping, do as your taxpayers do reduce, reuse, and recycle.
disgruntled taxpayer
7:48 AM, 4/9/2010"


disgruntled taxpayer: thank you for your comment. First, let me assure you that re-election is the least of a board members concern. This is not a high paying job that many believe it is. It is an important responsibility. I will be looking for your name on the ballot in 2011 (next time board members will be up for election). I was surprised that it wasn't on the ballot in 2009 since there were 3 positions open and no one run against the incumbents. Secondly, board members do not have offices in the district. We have other jobs. Mine, for instance, is one that my hours have been reduced by 50% for the past 6 months due to the economy. It is only in the last week that they have been reinstated. As far as funding new schools through sales and income tax, these taxes would be so high that even you would not support. You really need to get the facts about "double dipping". We save the district a lot of money.



"I don't like the idea of middle school students mixing with high school students, particularly when girls mature much more quickly than boys. I would definitely rethink that plan.
Northridge resident
7:57 AM, 4/9/2010"


Northridge resident: thank you for your comment. This is one of the best comments. I agree with your concern. This was discussed in our meetings and sessions when putting the plans together. At the meeting last night, it was discussed. The buildings will be constructed in separate "wings", one for 9-12 (high school) and one for 6-8 (middle school). There would be no time that the two schools would co-mingle. It is a great opportunity to better utilize our staff and faculty more effectively and effieciently. There was a lot of thought and discussion before this plan was submitted as a proposal. But I share your concern and understand your feelings.



"It is still"NO". Where is the money that was to go to repairs of the schools that we are paying for now. I WILL NOT PAY MORE PROPERTY TAXES!!!! I did not have kids as I could not afford them, I am not paying for someone elses kid when they already have a school. A new school does not educate a child, a parent and a teacher educate a child.The elderly cannot afford higher taxes!they have medication to pay for and if comes to medication or a school, my vote is to let the elderly have their meds!
enough already
7:59 AM, 4/9/2010"


enough already: thank you for your comment. First, as a resident of this district, you are enjoying the benefits of strong property values thanks to the schools we have, however, the shape our buildings are in is not as much a result of maintainence as it is age and deterioration. Schools drive up or down your property value. It is your choice to live in the district, you also have a choice to allow your property to increase in value or de-value. Remember, you have a choice, you don't have the choice of the consequences.



"First it was a one time vote and the buildings wern't worth repairing. Now were comming up on third vote with repairsand its open ended.The NELSB scaming you with an old grifter trick.ITS STILL NO NO NO.
scam
8:30 AM, 4/9/2010"


scam: thank you for your comment. I take this personally. This board does not scam anyone. We have ethics and live by them. I would like for you to explain what a "grifter trick"is.



"I can honestly say based on the comments on here I am ashamed to tell anyone what school my kids attend. I hope the kids arent reading these comments! You may not have had kids because you couldnt afford them well what about the people that paid taxes so you could attend school? That is just the way it works, you pay taxes in this world. Thats like saying your not going to pay anymore taxes if they are going to use it to redo a particular road just because you dont drive on it, ITS PART OF LIFE!
sv mom
8:13 AM, 4/9/2010"


sv mom: thank you for your comment. I agree 100% with you. I am embarrassed by the spelling, sentence structure, and dialogue being used. Other people read these comments and must wonder if these are the levels of education we have in our district, I surely do not want to live there. People will vote for road levies, emergency and fire levies, MRDD levies, and other levies that have little or no effect on their property values. But when it comes to schools, that directly effect your property values, the answer is No, no, no.



"Until the NELSD CUTS the FAT/EXTRAS the answer will be NO!!! Am I to understand next year they will start all day kindergarten, who is paying the cost for this. Why don't you just say we are opening half day daycare. A lot of us have taken 10% pay cuts to help keep our companies open. Several groups of people are giving up hours or days of work to keep companies and government offices open. NELSD thinks they need this now, NO WAY NO HOW. Do as the rest of us CUT THE FAT/EXTRAS. NO new taxes.
Don
9:01 AM, 4/9/2010"


Don; thank you for your comment. All day kindergarten is being mandated by the State of Ohio. Your beef is with the Legislature on this one. If I'm going to put my child in a day care, who would I want them to be with other than a teacher? Unlike your 10% pay cut, I have experienced a 50% pay cut. Don't come crying to me.



"Vote No, with all the forclosures already, if this levy passes and now there is more forclosures because of the property tax increase,now you won't get any money,with this economy who is going to buy that house, we don't need new schools or higher taxes,the vote from me will still be NO NO NO!!!!!!!!
NO!
9:07 AM, 4/9/2010"


NO!: thank you for your comment. If an increase of $250 a year is going to cause a foreclosure on homes, the person is in dire straits. You have obviously not been in South Vienna, Northeastern, Northridge or Rolling Hills buildings. If you had, you would see the shape these buildings are in. I invite you to take a look and then make your comment.



"If you want to complain about the addition of all day kindergarten you should take those complaints to the wonderful governor of Ohio. That was part of Strickland's master plan and the districts are now forced to comply with it even if there is no funding available to them. Don't blame that on the schoolboard and punish these kids for something they have nothing to do with.
CC
9:10 AM, 4/9/2010"

CC: thank you for your comment. Well said.



"It is still no...You parents should pay for your child to go to school... and lets see did the "NEW" school help Springfield City... NOPE sure did not. They are still low on the pole so I don't believe new schools are going to make your kids any smarter. Lets try another way to pay instead of penalizing the home owner. I will not go farther in debt to pay for your kids new school. Let the non homeowners pay for a change also. More forclosures, less money!
enough already
9:30 AM, 4/9/2010"


enough already: thank you for your comment. When was the last time you contacted your Legislator about how schools are funded? This is the group who has caused the way our schools are funded. As for the city schools, they have improved as a result of many things, one of which is their new schools.



"Just because I am a homeowner why should we pay all the taxes and people who don't own property don't have to pay.Take a look at all the kids that live in the campgrounds do there parents pay? No..Everyone needs to pay there fair share but not to the point you are going to lose your home and no food or medicine.The senor citizens have paid there share for years,now it's time we can stop.I always voted yes but now the vote is NO NO....
needs to stop
9:47 AM, 4/9/2010"


needs to stop: thank you for your comment. First, schools are funded in Ohio based partially on property taxes. This is an issue that you and all residents need to address with your state legislator. As the Legislative Liaison to the State Legislature for our school district, this is a standard issue I address to them regularly. But until people send letters, make calls, stand up at public meetings with the legislators, nothing will be done. As a senior citizen, I share your feelings because I am one also. Howeve, I choose to live in this district because our schools have provided me strong property value and I don't want to lose that. You have also chosen to live in this district and enjoy your property valuation. It is your choice to choose at the ballot box, but remember "elections have consequences".



"I'm just amazed at how the ignorance regarding school funding in the NELSD hasn't changed in 30 years. These "no" voters are as ignorant as their parents were. You complain the current schools weren't maintained, yet you never gave the schools money to perform that maintenance. The only money you have approved since 1980 is the bare minimum to operate the schools and to put a couple new roofs on. And you wonder why your property values never rose like the rest of the country.
RichmondScott
9:53 AM, 4/9/2010"


RichmondScott: thank you for your comment. Well said.



"$250 over a year for your $100k home - that's $20 a month, people - about $5 per week. Is that really enough to be so rude and nasty about? Did you ever consider that taxes are a fact of life and someone paid taxes so you could go to public school? Welcome to adulthood.

Our community's children WILL see success this time. They are our future and they are worth far more than that $5 per week!
really
9:58 AM, 4/9/2010"


really: thank you for your comment. Ohio's current school funding system is the most antiquated and unfair system in the country. It has been deemed unconstitutional by the Ohio Supreme Court 3 times, yet the Legislature has done nothing to fix it except throw our hard earned tax dollars to bad school systems. To me, that is insanity. I agree with you. Rather than throw darts at those who are trying to provide a quality education within the parameters of the funding system, they should be using the energy to work with the boards of education in advocating the Legislature to fix the system.



"My vote will still be NO..Where is the savings on the re-design..Is the $250.00 per $100,000.00 suppose to make me feel better? Do you really think anyone can afford to pay more taxes. Come on. Maybe some of you can afford an additional $500-$1000 extra a year in property tax, I for one can not. There will be more and more people moving out of the district and then you folks that vote yes, can take up the slack, we will see how devoted you are to the kids then.
Cindy
10:08 AM, 4/9/2010"


Cindy: thank you for your comment. The original plan was for a total of $111 million for all new schools. This plan will be $104 million. That is a savings of $7 million by doing the re-design of KR and the re-configuration of the elementary and middle school facilities with the high schools . I realize we are talking $250 a year, however, it needs to be looked at in increments. The more people who will be moving into our district to take advantage of our schools will lower the taxes on homes and will increase property values.



"JC. If u have a leak u call a plumber to fix it.Thats basic common sense and logic, plus it saves on further repairs, good math.This levy is nothing more than putting more lipstic on a pig. its sill a pig.NELSB is trying to get u to pay for there shortcomings instead of fixing the real problem.Therefore its a SCAM. VOTE NO NO NO NO
scam
10:39 AM, 4/9/2010"


scam: thank you for your comment. I would like to have you discuss the "scam" concept to the board and to the public. I don't understand what you are saying. The statement is getting many riled up without any concrete evidence of a scam. Please help me to understand.



"Facts? You want facts? Fact 1- They increased the mills for Less time. Now instead of $100/ $100,000 home it is $250 per. That is going to cost me even more per year. I am already paying $3000 per year in tax, my additional will be $250 per which will cost me an additional $600 per year. Fact 2- Will they assure us that no operations levy will be added in the next 5 years? I guarentee an operational levy is already in the works. Fact 3 - What about the .25% income tax? Sorry... Can't do it.
Pauly
11:03 AM, 4/9/2010"


Pauly: thank you for your comment. Sir, you need to get your facts together.
FACT 1: the original plan was a 7.54 mills for 37 years. The cost for a $100 thousand home would have been about $325 per year. FACT 2: The board never said there would not be an operating levy in the next 5 years. We said we had the operation funding for a couple of years, however as long as inflation continued to drive up the cost of fuel, food, books, paper and other things used in education, homes, workplaces, etc. there will be a need for additional operating funds. The time frame of 5 years was never mentioned. Our budget for the district is made out over a period of 5 years as dictated by the Ohio General Assembly, however, they only have a 2 year budget. Go figure. By the way, we are not considering any Operational Levy at this time.
FACT 3: There is no .25% income tax. You need to ask the questions before engaging your keyboard.



"I don't understand what it is that people don't understand. We can't afford more taxes. It might only be $20 a month to you, but that is a lot to me. And what it's $20 now, then another $20-40 later. I'm sick and tired of them come at us for more money, when does it ever end. People just can't afford to pay out more money. Gas & Grocery prices keep going up and those are things that we can't do without. My child went to Northeastern so I know the schools aren't that bad. VOTE NO!!!!!!!!
NE Resident
11:07 AM, 4/9/2010"


NE Resident: thank you for your comment. Good question..."when does it ever end". Answer: when the people of the State of Ohio get the courage to face their legislators and demand they fix the school funding issue without throwing more money to it. That's when the current system will end.



"JC, that is exactly what I'm talking about, property values will surely go down, because there will be many more foreclosures in this area. As for the person asking about Graham School District, they are putting an operating levy on the ballot this year, because with all they got with the new schools, it still isn't enough, it will never be enough anywhere. For you folks that have the money to pay extra, I suggest if you don't like it, put your child in private schools and pay like you want...
Cindy
11:28 AM, 4/9/2010"


Cindy: thank you again for your comment. Yes, property values will go down as a result of foreclosures, but mainly because of schools. People will not want to move into the district if the schools are bad. Look at Tecumseh school district, the property valuation is increasing as a result of their new schools, yet they are still in the same economy we are. Watch what will happen in Northwestern school district when they get their new buildings built. Dropping property values will not be caused by foreclosures any more than a good economy will drive property values up. Even in a good economy, the state of our schools will be the major factor in property valuation.



"Voters haven't agreed to anything yet, but did you catch this in the article?!
" Architects are working to determine if the addition would be for 6th through 8th grade or 9th through 12th."

Voters haven't said yes to anything. Are they paying these architects? If so, why? and with what money?
Listening vs Hearing
12:40 PM, 4/9/2010"


Listening vs Hearing: thank you for your comment. Yes, our architects are working on looking at determining if KR would be a 6-8 or 9-12. There is no money being expended to them since they already have the data needed. Our architects have built many schools throughout Ohio and are very knowledgeable of school construction and configuration. No money is being expended until the people approve the bond issue and the people tell us what they want in buildings.



"Listening,
Actually that was something mentioned last night about deciding if the remodeled KR would be 6-8 or 9-12 and if I remember correctly they said they didn't want to pay a architect to come up with plans yet until the levy passed since it would be expensive to have those types of plans drawn up. Plus then talked about having community input to decide if KR would be the middle school or H.S. I could be wrong and maybe Mr. Kadel blog can clarify.
JC
4:50 PM, 4/9/2010"



JC: thank you for your comment and for the responses you have given to many of the comments posted here. As stated previously, our architects have many building plans in their "inventory" of building designs. They specialize in school bulding design and are one of the best in the state. It has been estimated the cost to develop a school design is in the $100,000 range (way out of our budget without public input). Once the bond issue passes, we will begin the process of designing our buildings with the public's input.



"Here's the thing. The loan Northeastern is taking out is a Variable rate loan. It's not a fixed rate loan. With current rates at a historical all-time low, what's the odds that the rate will go up? Thats right... What this means is that the cost will be a lot more than what people think. Would you prefer a fixed rate load or a variable rate loan? That's what I thought too...
NE Resident
5:50 PM, 4/9/2010"


NE Resident: thank you for your comment. Now you have touched on something I cannot respond to. Rather than ignoring your comment, I will look into this with our Treasurer and Bond Council and get information to you through a special post to this blog. I don't know how long it will take to get the info, but I will look into it.

Response to April 8th article

Another edition of the truth to those uninformed, misinformed or don't wish to be informed. As always, I ask that if you don't agree with me, please check out the truth yourself and then let me know if I am speaking the truth.

These comments and questions were posed in the April 8,2009 article written by Megan Gildow, titled "Northeastern to discuss Bond Issue".


"I am willing to listen to what they propose. It has to be better than the last one. I think it will help our property values and could help the local economy. Anything is better than what is going on around here. I'll be there.
willing 2 listen
8:41 PM, 4/7/2010"


willing 2 listen: thank you for your comment. I feel the original plan was best for kids, however, the new plan we voted on tonight will still benefit kids while reducing the cost about $7 million dollars, keeps a building in South Vienna, retains Kenton Ridge, eliminates the income tax, shortens the bond issue from 37 years to 28 years and will help to stimulate the local economy. If you were at the meeting, you would know that there was very good discussion about the plans that were presented. I feel this is a plan the people can support. I've discussed this with Megan Gildow, news reporter. She will be running an article in tomorrow's paper. Should supply more comments for me to respond to.



"The schools are needed. I plan to vote yes.
Northridge parent
8:50 PM, 4/7/2010"


Northridge parent: thank you for your comment. Appreciate your support.



"How many times do we need to vote NO!!, before it sinks in the school board's thick head!!!!Taking the Economy in to account, very few of us got raises at work this year, and we just can't afford more taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!
What Ever!"


What Ever: thank you for your comment. Believe me, I understand about the economy. My hours have been cut in half for the past 6 months. I had to get a second shift job just to help out. So yes, this board member is very much aware of the economy. This board member is also aware of the value of his property, the value I put on education, and the value of what educated kids will bring back to the community. I don't know of very many people who can afford more taxes, but can you afford to let your schools continue to deteriorate? Can you afford to let your children continue to be behind in technology? Can you afford to have your property values continue to drop due to the condition of our schools? Will the cost of about $250 a year for a $100 thousand home be more than these things are worth to you? Only you can answer that.



"what ever! I haven't had a raise in 4 years, but I'm willing to bet on an increase in property values, hope for jobs and better schools for our kids. I'll find the $ by giving up a little more. It isn't about me, me, me. It's about our future.
willing 2 listen
10:28 PM, 4/7/2010"


willing 2 listen: thank you for your comment. No raise in four years is not uncommon in this economy, depending on the industry you work. But being willing to find a dollor here and there to properly educate kids is what it will take. You are correct...it is not about me, me, me. It is about the future of our kids, our propery values, our community and our very way of life.



"NO way NO how!!! I will vote for this until the board and admin have correctly done their jobs. Schools are for education not to have all of the extras they think THEY need. Always remember WANT= the extras in life, NEED = Roof over your head, HAVE TO HAVE = Food for the family. NO means NO to NEW taxes!!!!
Don"


Don: thank you for your comment. I wish you could define my job so I can do it properly. We educate children very well in this district. We can do even better with the technology that tomorrow's market place will demand.



"higher taxes will not bring new jobs.thats basic math.we can not aford this so take care of what we have. the school board should making plans to make repairs while school is out.
math
11:09 PM, 4/7/2010"

math: thank you for your comment. You are correct that higher taxes will not bring new jobs. What we are after is keeping our kids in the area by providing a better education. Better educated kids will draw companies to the area because there is a source of workers (not necessarily manufacturing). Now kids are leaving the area because there are few jobs. Education brings business to the communities. You will be surprised to know that we do much of our maintenance, painting, etc. starting when school is out and continue it up to the time of opening day in August. Even more surprisingly, we use prisoners from London Correctional Institution to do much of the labor at South Vienna school. That sounds somewhat being fiscally responsible. Are you saying that if your home is valued at $100 thousand dollars, you cannot find $250 a year? That's less than a dollar a day to provide quality facilities and educational opportunities for the children in our district.



"TO THE BOARD OF NORTHEASTERN SCHOOLS - ARE YOU IDIOTS! How many times do WE THE PEOPLE have to say NO!!!? Regardless of state funds - WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS AND/OR THE JOBS to pay 59% of new buildings. Maybe if the state paid 100% and we had to pay upkeep - wait - NE board doesn't do upkeep and repair - they just let it fall to the ground and want a new building to destroy! NO NEW TAXES! Yes to a NEW BOARD!!
wake up alreade
5:50 AM, 4/8/2010"


wake up alreade: thank you for your comment, I think. First question....no. Second question...as long as there is a need and an opportunity. You will have to look at this website to understand the concept of need and opporunity. Do "WE THE PEOPLE" have the funds to pay 100% of constructing new buildings if this opportunity is missed? When one of these old buildings become a health hazard and the CCCHD (Clark County Combined Health District) decides to close a building because it is physically unhealthy for children, will you be willing to pay 100% of the cost? Or possibly place children into split sessions with other schools? That is your choice. I know I would rather pay 59% than 100%...simple math. Interesting about a new board. Why didn't you run for school board last fall? The opportunity was there. We had three vacancies and only three people ran. Maybe next time...right?



"Where did the money go two years ago when the property values were re-appraised? My real estate taxes went up 800 dollars in one year and the schools got most of that money which four times what you are asking for now,,all in just a few years,,this is one of the problems.
bill
6:32 AM, 4/8/2010"


bill: thank you for your comment. Good question. This is one of the problems schools encounter with the current school funding system in Ohio. Without going into a long boring explanation, let me say that when you vote on a levy, you vote for a certain amount of $ which is based on the valuation of your property. If property values rise, schools do not get more money. If property values decline, schools do not get less money. Schools are the only thing that property taxes go toward. Yes, they are the majority, but there is also, MRDD, roads, fire and emergency levies, and other agencies who are supported by property taxes. Unfortunately, schools are the only levies that people reject...and they are the one entity that directly affects your property values! I would encourage you to sit down with our District Treasurer or the County Auditor and have them explain the process. It will help you to better understand the situation schools are facing today.



"ABSOLUTELY NO MORE MONEY! How many times does it take for you to get that we do not support this bond issue.
NE Resident
6:51 AM, 4/8/2010"


NE Resident: thank you for your comment. I really cannot tell you how many times, I only know that there is a need for new buildings. At some point we will have to do something and at that point "we" will be paying 100% of the cost. You can support your schools now or later.



"In this economy with many homes in the district being foreclosed where is the money coming from?? Wake up. We need financial responisbility from the board. Do like the voters make do, repair, reuse and recyle. Concentrate on using what we have instead of dreams. Learn from what happened to the city schools.
disgusted taxpayer
7:28 AM, 4/8/2010"


disgusted taxpayer: thank you for your comment. I'm a little confused by the statement "learn from what happened to the city schools"? What happened that we should learn from? New schools will draw people to the district. New schools will increase residents property values. New schools will bring badly needed technology to our children. New schools will bring business to the area. Getting new schools at a cost of 59% is pretty good fiscal responsibility in my book.



"It will be interesting to see if the board will actually allow negative comments to be provided or if they only want people to speak who support whatever they want at this meeting. I'm also interested to see if they come to the table with a plan that meets the tax payer in the middle. In every process there is give and take and at this point, the board is not giving only taking.
Meet in the middle
8:27 AM, 4/8/2010"


Meet in the middle: thank you for your comment. First, the board has never silenced anyone from speaking at a board meeting. As President, I have never stifled anyone nor do I intend to start. I did reprimand an gentleman from swearing at a board meeting where we had students and ladies, but we have never disallowed any negative comments. If you attended tonight's meeting, I think you would agree that we listened to the people and responded to their concerns. What we heard was that (1). they wanted to keep the school in South Vienns, (2). they didtn't want to tear down Kenton Ridge building, (3). they didn't want an income tax, and (4). they didn't want a bond issue for 37 yesrs. Our plan responds favorably to these objections. We definately listened and heard and responded.



"I am sympathetic to the financial problems a lot of people are having, I am one of those people, but I don't see the need for calling people idiots and being hateful. Considering a majority of students have cell phones, Vera Bradley bags, name brand clothes, the latest video games, laptops, and the list goes on, I don't think people are as bad off as they say. I think it boils down to the fact that we have lost sight of what is important. We need to prioritize and yes make some sacrifices.
Parent who cares
8:57 AM, 4/8/2010"


Parent who cares: thank you for your comment. Well put. Thank you.



"Can't wait until August.

For the Levy

Against the Levy XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Drive it home"


Drive it home: thank you for your comment. I can't either.



"Well I guess for the uneducated,I will define it and not reply with apersonal attack(give it a rest)lol(that's what i'm trying to say!) The definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same process and expect a different result!Thus "no means no"
enough.2.0
9:22 AM, 4/8/2010"


enough.2.0: thank you for your comment. You are correct with the definition of insanity, however, we are putting a different plan in place. A plan that responds to what the people have stated they were against. I have covered these issues in a previous response.



"Whole office full of "no's". We thought it would save time if we combined our 8 no's in one statement.
Office full of no votes
10:19 AM, 4/8/2010"


Office full of no votes: thank you for your comment. Sorry to hear this. Hopefully you can ask some important questions that I can respond to as to why you are voting no.



"no means no... fix what you got!!!! I for one am not giving one more dime to the schools. New schools does not educate a child.. a teacher and parents educate a child. Take some of this energy and waste that you are doing to get a levy passed and use it to better educate the children. We were taught in one room school houses and are very educated. Pay for your own kids!!!! I dont think it is everyones responsibility to pay for your choice to have kids.
enough
10:54 AM, 4/8/2010"


enough: thank you for your comment. Sorry to tell you this, but if you were educated in a one-room school house, you couldn't hold a candle to what is being taught in schools today. We don't have the jobs anymore that required a "one room school house" education. Those have all gone to Mexico, Canada, China, etc. My grandparents paid for my education, I am paying for other children's education and the beat goes on. Thats the way it has been done and that's the way is being done. As long as you enjoy the benefits of good schools, that is strong property values, then you have an obligation to keep those schools strong. That's my view.



"I agree with no means no.. I also agree with the thought of the kids having the lastest video games, vera bradley, name brand clothes, but my kids don't, they wear second hand clothes, we go to the library for books and movies and we shop the thrift stores. So I really dont have any more sacrifices to make, or my kids won't eat.
Cindy
11:19 AM, 4/8/2010"


Cindy: thank you for your comment. We have our priorities. I'm not one to tell someone how to spend their money. I would rather someone be honest with me, like you are, than to complain about having to support their schools.



"If they place another issue on the ballot in August it may not be exactly the same as the last two. However the bottom line for the taxpayer is exactly the same, MORE TAXES. Do understand that is why we are voting no, and that isn't going to change in 4 months. The board is just wasting more of our money that they could be putting to better use. If they were listening to the voters, they would already have received the message. NO NEW SCHOOLS, NO MORE TAXES. BOTTOM LINE.
NE Resident
12:09 PM, 4/8/2010"


NE Resident: thank you for your comment. The plans we proposed last night were in response to what people were telling us as to why they voted no. Yes, some were due to the economy, however, these people also knew that the economic situation was a short lived issue and that eventually our economy would come back. Others blaming the economy are living in the past in a negative environment knowing the economy will never come back and are taking the opportunity to complain rather than do something about the economy. Our plan that was voted on is different than before. If you would have attended any of the many meetings we've had and brought your concerns to the meeting, you would better understand why we are doing what we are doing.



"Pay now for new schools with the help of the state giving Northeastern money or pay for old schools later without the help of the state. Common sense says pay with the help of state money. We will be paying later for old schools who need new roofs, pipes, windows, safety measurements to meet state standards! I'm no idiot! I think that I will pay for new schools.
Smarter than most
12:22 PM, 4/8/2010"


Smarter than most: thank you for your comment. Yes, you are. You must have attended some of the meetings, or asked questions, or did your own research, or used common sense, or all of the above. Thank you.



"I don't understand why people don't get that you can pay $41 M less now - or pay for all of it later. It is ridiculous to say buildings don't matter. The best teachers are not going to teach at SV if they can get a job at Tecumseh or NW. Some may truly suffer if taxes are raised but if you're fortunate enough to own property, chances are you can afford to support your schools. If you're just plain self centered - admit it. Living in a poorly educated community may work well for you.
beyond fursteration
12:43 PM, 4/8/2010"


beyond fursteration: thank you for your comment. Very well stated. Too bad we have too many people who are "me, me, me" rather than "we".



"First, end open enrollment.

Second, pay cuts for everyone making over 60 or 70k/yr. (theres alot of them)

Third, end all Sports and extracurricular programs.

Then come ask us for more money for *education*.
TellyouastoryboutamannamedNO
2:09 PM, 4/8/2010"


TellyouastoryboutamannanedNO: thank you for your comment. I am writing a blog post on open enrollment. Hopefully you will read it and then understand why it is important for education to maintain open enrollment. Please ask about it to understand it and then make your comment. I wrote an article on teachers pay. In the article I suggested paying our teachers $4 an hour for teaching children. Would you settle for that? Read the article and then tell me to cut salaries. As far as ending sports and extra curricular activities, again you need to get the facts. This would financially devastate the district by having many of our students leave through open enrollment and take with them %5780. If we cut sports and 50% (roughly 500 kids) of the students who participate in sports left, we would loose nearly $3,000,000. Guess where we would have to get that from in order to maintain education?



"For those of you who think that the children aren't in need the newest technology to learn, I am sorry to say I think you are mistaken. I do understand that years ago we had a lot less and learned just fine. But you have to realize it is a very different world we live in today. Technology is everything. We are only holding our chilren back from learning. Also, I have to agree that I see a lot of children with the "material" things around the area. We can afford those and many more. I vote YES!!
A Northridge Parent/Supporter
3:08 PM, 4/8/2010"


A Northridge Parent/Supporter: thank you for your comment. Also, thank you for your support. Well stated.



"It is amazing how many people do not realize that any school district can obtain only so much money on a levy. It does not matter how many homes there are, or how many more homes there are. If, for example, if a levy is to raise a million dollars, that is all it can raise ... does not matter if there are a hundred new homes. If there a hundre new homes then that million generated by the levy would mean a lesser amount on each home. Should have learned that in civics lessons.
JRF on the right
4:57 PM, 4/8/2010"


JRF on the right: thank you for your comment. Funny, I learned this also in Civics Class in 1965 at Northeastern as a Senior. You are absolutely correct. The more homes, the less each home has to share for schools.



"TellyouastoryboutamannamedNO,
"First, end open enrollment" Do you mean end open enrollment for all districts or only in NE local? If you mean only for NE local, then you would be shooting yourself in the foot. You may prevent students from coming to NE, but you wouldn't prevent students from leaving to go to another district and when they leave, the money follows. As a result the district would lose close to $700,000 a year - they had about 117 kids this past year go to another district.
JC
5:29 PM, 4/8/2010"


JC: thank you for your comment....also thank you for responding to many of these uninformed people. You obviously have done your homework, attended meetings, asked questions and understand what is happening. Thank you. One point is that if we don't recover the $700,000 we lose to open enrollment, we would have to get rid of 14 teachers. See what happens when people start complaining about larger classrooms, lack of AP and other advanced programs, etc.



"I have to make one more comment. I sub in a number of districts in this county. And if there is any district that needs new facilities it is NELSD. I wonder if the people complaining have actually been in South Vienna Elementary. I wonder if they have actually seen all of Northeastern High School. Yes the teachers do a terrific job, but these buildings are not up to date with what it takes to prepare students for TODAY's world. There IS at need for new, not repair, in NELSD.
JRF on the right"


JRF on the right: thank you for your comment. You are correct that people who complain have never been in our buildings, or else they would not be making the comments they are making.