Once again, I come with responses to articles from the Springfield News-Sun concerning the Northeastern Local School District. These responses are from the article dated Wednesday, May 19, 2010 by Bridgett Outten, Staff Writer, titled "Schools will put issues on August 3rd ballot". Unlike previous comments and questions, I will respond to those that are legitimate and not redundant.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"I'd say hopefully 3rd times a charm, but aren't we up to like 5 times now? Just a bad time to ask people for money!! Maybe our savior obama will print some more money and send it to us!!
Mark
11:48 PM, 5/18/2010"
Mark: thank you for your comment. Don't know which issue you are referring, however, you are correct that it is a bad time to ask for tax dollars. Unfortunately, the State Legislature has burdened the schools with no option but to seek dollars from the public. The Boards of Education would appreciate you and all voters to start addressing the school funding issue with our legislators.
"When are the SLOW LEARNERS of NESD going to get it through their thick heads - NO MEANS NO. People are out of work and LOSING their homes and you want to tax them more - for more buildings that you will just let crumble into disrepair - no brainer here. Get a new board - that will actually make repairs to the buildings - maybe then something GOOD WILL HAPPEN!!
abused taxpayer
5:59 AM, 5/19/2010"
abused taxpayer; thank you for your comment. I understand your frustration. The district has not allowed our buildings to crumble into disrepair....time and usage has done this. If you feel a new board will keep new buildings new for 50 years and keep up with technology, then you and two others need to run for the board and make it happen. I personally think a lot of GOOD THINGS HAPPEN everyday in our buildings.
"This levy proves how ignorant the NELSD board is . Nearly the same cost for fewer buildings -- good move.
amazing
6:28 AM, 5/19/2010"
amazing: thank you for your comment. Sir or Madam you need to get the facts. The newest plan calls for less buildings and less cost. The original plan was for $111 million for 6 buildings. This one is for $98 million for 4 buildings and renovating Kenton Ridge HS into a 5-8 building. It is also for less years and no income tax.
"My vote is still "NO"...I can not afford to pay over $700.00 a year in property tax at this time. We "all" have had to take a step back and look at our situations and make a conclusion based on our finances and job propects. My husband has worked the same job for over 40 years and not a week goes by, that they don't talk about closing down, or lay off. When the property owners can't pay their share of this levi, who picks up the slack? When residents move out, who picks up their remaing taxes
Cinddy
7:03 AM, 5/19/2010"
Cinddy: thank you for your comment. I too have suffered in this economy by having my hours cut in half for 7 months. I agree it is not easy to cope, however, I realize this economy is not going to continue. We will be better. If the district was not offered the 41% from the OSFC you can be sure we wouldn't be coming to you to build new schools. I do know that at some point in the future we will be in need of new schools and at that point we will be paying 100% of the cost.
"Kadel needs to go. He is so irrigant and a moron as well. I will still be voting no. Seems to me, they really don't know what they want. They've changed their minds so much, I really don't know what they're asking for anymore. And don't tell me to sit at one of those meetings so I can be attacked for voicing my concerns. Seems like you're treated like dirt for having an opinion anymore!!! HA! See if you get ANY more of money!
agree w/ amazing
7:14 AM, 5/19/2010"
agree w/ amazing: thank you for your comment. Sir or Madam getting rid of me will not change the fact that we need new schools and will not change the way our schools are run. I am only one of five individuals who comprise the school board. I am neither "irrigant (?) whatever that means, nor am I a moron. I am an educated individual who is concerned about our schools, have worked hard to see that the children in this district get the best education they can and try to keep the public informed as to what is happening in the district. Secondly, no one has ever been attacked at any board meeting that I have presided over as President. I've been President for the past 15 years which accounts for 142 meetings. No one has ever been attacked for their views. We have allowed everybody who wishes to address the board do so. The board respects all views regardless of the view. You have obviously not been to a board meeting.
"The 7.876-mill, 28-year bond issue will cost $237 a year on a $100,000 home.
28 YEARS!!!!
Hmmmm!
With NO children in school we are paying
$1,823.00 per year to NESD taxes now.
If passed this would increase to
$2179.00 per year.
With hundreds of foreclosures in NESD you want to raise taxes????
Again! "NO"
r u nuts?
10:40 AM, 5/19/2010"
r u nuts?: thank you for your comment. This is the way a community comes together for the better of the community. Even though you have no children - I have no children in the district either - you enjoy the benefits of strong property values largely as a result of the educational system. New schools will make our property values stronger. Old and rundown schools will cause our people to take their kids to other districts. Even good teachers will seek those districts with new schools and improved educational opportunities. Please reconsider your position.
"What do the schools do with the large sums of money they recieve from the lottery? Go to OhioLottery - about lottery - lottery profits - funding by district. Then scroll down to our county for the details. 2009 fiscal yr hasn't ended yet. 2008 yr fiscal N.W. got $609,834.71, N.E.got $1,315,848.85. Spfld City schools got $4,304,259.02. have a nice day
Donna
10:52 AM, 5/19/2010"
Donna: thank you for your comment. You bring up a very valid point about the Lottery bringing money to the schools. Our Legislators spend a large amount of time getting this across to the public about the Lottery helping our schools. The one point the Legislators failed to tell you is that when the Lottery money was going to schools, the Legislature was taking the same amount away from schools and giving it to the many entitlement programs the state supports. Therefore the Lottery money only replaced the money the Legislature took away. Yes, your facts are true, there is more to the story.
"The state government is being compelled by the Ohio Supreme Court to replace buildings in all school districts. If the NE school funding fails, the state will have to pony up the entire amount.
That's my theory anyway.
state will cover it
11:01 AM, 5/19/2010"
state will cover it: thank you for your comment. This is not true. If the levy fails the NELSD loses the 41% to another district. The state has no intention of funding new schools for districts. If the levy fails the residents will pay 100% of the cost of new schools or else let them fall down.
"Surely you realize the number of employees these schools must have to run...that lottery money would pay for salary and benefits for maybe 10% of the schools employees at the most. Lottery money is not the primary income source for schools; its closer to like 5% of the yearly budget. Don't exaggerate as if the schools are just overflowing with money and wasting it all over the place.
it's math
11:02 AM, 5/19/2010"
it's math: thank you for your comment. As with the NELSD, our budget is roughly $35 million dollars. The money we get from the Lottery is roughly a little over $1 million. You are correct in that we are not overflowing with Lottery money. Plus, the Legislature had withdrawn the funds from our funding that the Lottery was to provide, therefore we basically broke even.
"To Karen
Oh ,I'm sure school budgets are cut due to dollars they receive from the lottery.. The state knows the school will just go to the taxpayer for more. That's what the schools do, simply because it's easier to screw the taxpayer than to beat the state. I'll tell them what I tell the FOP when they call... I paid my tax bill, so don't come asking me for more because the state cut your budget.. Now go ask Suckland where your budget went.
jackalope
12:35 PM, 5/19/2010"
jackalope: thank you for your comment. Isn't it time for the people to start addressing their State Legislators on the school funding issue? They are the ones who must make the changes. School Boards members are advocates, however, it takes people who are also voters to take a position on this issue also. Working with board members will make a difference, if you and other voters are willing to help.
"237.00 a year for a 100,000 dollar home. Well guess what, Mine is over twice that. I have a big enough house payment and large enough taxes already. I can not afford more! I am doing well now trying to keep my home and farm to pass to my kids one day. Money is too tight for the community. Please stop hassling those who can not afford more taxes! We simply can not do this! Hasn't this been proven enough already???
enough already!!!
12:43 PM, 5/19/2010"
enough already!!!: thank you for your comment. We are not hasseling anyone. We are simply getting information to the residents of the district. As a voter, you can stand at the voting booth and make your choice with no duress from board members or supporters.
"its almost grimy how they keep trying to get this threw. i am still voting no.if the money went to repair the schools we have i mite vote yes.they just want to keep building new schools and let them go heck.if they get the money they will just want more.worse then feeding a stray cat.i went to KR.vote no.its a replacement levy! not a repair levy.they will keep try to sneak it threw.i will always vote no..i would rather spend my money on getting this voted down then give it to nelsd.
josh
12:56 PM, 5/19/2010"
josh: thank you for your comment. Josh, it is neither a replacement nor a repair levy. It is a Bond Issue. There are differences. If you are a home owner, then spending money to vote down schools will only have a negative effect on your property values. There is no "sneaking" of anything. The newspaper and tv will not allow it to happen. Our objective is to get people informed in order to make an educated choice. If you have children in school then they will not get the educational opportunities they deserve. It is your choice and your community. Choose wisely.
"The outlook of public education in Ohio is going to be very bleek in the future! Gripping to our school boards really isn't going to do any good!! Their hands will be tied because of continued cuts in state funding! Legislators are the ones who should be getting the complaints! Major reform is going to be necessary if our state is going to be able to provide sufficient funding to keep our schools going! Contact your state senators and reps and grip to them!
yes voter
7:02 PM, 5/19/2010"
yes voter: thank you for your comment. Don't know if you are NWLSD or NELSD, but I appreciate your comment. You are absolutely correct.
"Do you really think the state will change state funding for schools as long as the tax payers keep voting yes to tax levies? Those who have suggested calling state rep, have you called yourself and what was the response you received from your rep? Please share your knowledge further with us. We want to be informed. Thanks for your help.
Paris
10:10 PM, 5/19/2010"
Paris: thank you for your comment. Do I think the state will change the funding system? Not at the current rate. I've addressed this issue with Rep. Hackett, Rep. McGregor and Sen. Widener on many occasions. The response is the same: "we've increased funding to schools!" That is not the solution Ross, Bob and Chris.
Paris, I will gladly guide you through the process we need to make happen, however it will take a long time and a lot of people who are unrelentless and serious about getting a solution.
"Here's something to think about??? $1.00 a kid to ride the bus to and from school? Movie night, $2.00 a kid. Any after hour programs or special events $2.00 a kid or just don't have them... If it doesn't have anything to do with EDUCATING a child DELETE IT!!!!!!!! Wanna play sports parent pay the FULL cost. NO MORE EXTRA ANYTHING!
NOWYOUWILLLISTEN
11:13 PM, 5/19/2010"
NOWYOUWILLLISTEN: thank you for your comment. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Please look at my article on Open Enrollment and see what cutting sports or having parents pay to play option. Educating a child is more than reading writing and arithmetic. The Ohio Department of Education has guidelines and mandates on what school districts must do.
"Enough already: The school provides the cheerleading uniforms, so if your daughter cheerleads for the school, you didn't pay anything except the sports fee we all have to pay. It's easy for all of you to critisize when you don't know all of the facts. We NEED MONEY to run the SCHOOL. It's like trying to keep your car running without any gas, it just doesnt work.
get real
6:01 AM, 5/20/2010
REPORT ABUSE
We already pay most of the sports costs. I didn't get any help when paying 900-1000 dollars for my kid's cheerleading uniforms!
enough already
12:24 AM, 5/20/2010"
enough already and get real: thank you for your comments. I combined these comments because the truth needs to be known. First to enough already, this is your choice to pay the outrageous fees for a cheerleader uniform. I've addressed this with other parents about the school furnishing uniforms, however the cheerleaders didn't like the colors the school chose. The school colors for Northeastern is Cardinal and Gold, not Purple or Maroon and Gold. This has been an issue for many years. To get real, I didn't know the school furnished cheerleader uniforms. Possibly the Cheerleaders may have handed their uniforms down to the next cheerleader, but to my knowledge the school does not furnish cheerleader uniforms.
"Those of you who THINK your elected officals are listening about school funding. THINK AGAIN!! They have had several YEARS to resolve this issue but have ELECTED to do NOTHING as it does not benifit them. Most have ELECTED to side step the issue as it is a POLITICAL MINE FIELD. If you want to show them WE want ACTION on the issue VOTE the IMCUMBENT officals OUT!! I believe the newly elected offical might understand what the VOTERS are saying. FIX IT OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!!!
DOn
10:24 AM, 5/20/2010"
DOn: thank you for your comment. You are exactly correct. It is way past time to get our legislators to take positive action. It is a Political Mine Field and one they do not want to handle. I will be doing an article on school funding using a common sense approach.
"tom, i really hope you're right. however, i was disheartened last night when i encountered another no voter... who by the way, didn't have the facts. she was misstating so many things. the supporters of this levy need to get out and get the truth - the facts out there! it IS about our children. we owe it to them. i challenge the no voters to walk through the schools they say are "fine".. spend some time chatting with the teachers... get the FACTS!
NE mom
10:43 AM, 5/20/2010"
NE mom; thank you for your comment. Very well stated. As a means of trying to get information to the public on any and all issues in our district I am going around the district talking with groups in Catawba, South Vienna, New Moorefield, Plattsburg and N'ridge to get the fact out. You are right, there is a lot of misinformation being spread around.
"We need to develop a PAC to dedicate funds and effort to defeating the upcoming levies.
The schools continue to waste dollars putting it in our face time and time again - Let's start pushing back!
To NE District voters: Wait until they pass the income tax and continue to ask for property tax dollars too. NOTHING MAKES ME WANT TO SAY NO MORE THAN THE PILFERING OF MY HOUSEHOLD BUDGET.
To hell with Renewals/Emergency Levies - JUST SAY F***ing NO - as in HELL NO
We need to organize the NO's
12:45 PM, 5/20/2010"
We need to organize the NO's: thank you for your comment. using language like this I would not give my name either. As I stated earlier, you have a choice to make at the ballot box just like everyone else. If you can show me where we are wasting money, I will be most happy to look into it and correct it. The Treasurer works for the board of education and therefore is accountable to the board as well as the residents. By the way, you need to understand the bond issue we are putting on the ballot. There is no income tax. Pleaqse get your facts straight before inciting others.
"JC you are very annoying. Are you getting paid for all your vote yes crap your throwing on everyone? Give it up, it's gonna be voted down...for the ump-theenth time!
tired of you
6:13 PM, 5/20/2010"
tired of you: thank you for your comment. I know JC as an individual who comes to the board meetings, asks questions, researches the responses, asks more questions, goes through the buildings, talks with board members, administrators and teachers. He is very informed and as a result supports our district. It is those who are uninformed, misinformed or refused-to-be-informed that are ignoring this bond issue and opportunity. JC is getting no pay for his comments, nor is he employed by the district.
Thursday, May 20, 2010
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
OPEN ENROLLMENT: MONEY ISSUE OR OVERCROWDING?
Over the years, Open Enrollment has been a hot topic, not only in the Northeastern School District, but every district in Ohio. Open enrollment is one of those issues that if used for what was intended, it is good, if used for what it allows, then the scenario can be controversial.
I would like to address this issue as viewed by a school board member who looks at issues from different perspectives, mainly fiscal responsibility to a district. Although there are many who will disagree with my views, when it comes to educating kids, it is all about financial responsibility, not necessarily popularity. I've always believed that my decision making is based on "what is right, not who is right".
As we digest this issue, there are certain facts that people should know. First, all of the money the district receives for a student goes with the student when the student uses Open Enrollment to go to another school district. Many think only the states' portion goes and the local portion stays in the district. This is not true. The entire amount is taken out of the district.
In Ohio the base formula has $5780 is allotted to each student, of which a percentage comes from the state and the difference from the local share. In the Northeastern Local district, the split is about 49% from the state and 51% from the local share. In dollars and cents it amounts to $2832 from the state and $2948 from our local share.
Open Enrollment was initiated as a means for students in poor performing district to take advantage of the educational opportunities in higher performing districts without having to move into the high performing district. At the outset, only district's adjoining one another could benefit from students from other districts. As an example, students in Northeastern could go to Clark-Shawnee through Open Enrollment, but could not go to Northwestern or Tecumseh because neither Northwestern nor Tecumseh adjoin Northeastern.
In the beginning, the intent of the program was good, however, what it allows has turned out differently. Unfortunately, today, Open Enrollment is used by those to take advantage of better athletic opportunities and/or other extra-curricular programs. The intent has been abused in some cases thereby causing many to be disgruntled and obviously angered by the program
In our district, Open Enrollment is a money issue that can be, and is, used to our advantage. Below, I have listed some data that will show the fiscal side of Open Enrollment:
OPEN ENROLLMENT…
$5780 per student leaving our district and coming into our district
2009-2010 school year there are 117 students going to other districts
2009-2010 school year there are 211 students coming into our district
$676,260 out of the district. 117 x $5780
$1,219,580 into the district. 211 x $5780
$543,320 net positive. 94 x $5780
Pro: hire 10 teachers with $543,320
Pro: no overcrowding in classroom
Pro: selective of incoming students
Pro: get $5780 for students of our faculty, staff and administrators
Pro: 10 new teachers hired are at no cost to the district
Con: cannot stop kids from leaving
Con: eliminating extra-curricular programs will drive more kids out of the district
Con: eliminating Open Enrollment will cost district $1,895,840 annually. (approx. 4-1/2 mills)
Con: stop Open Enrollment and eliminate 37 teaching positions
I have listed the Pro’s and Con’s of the Open Enrollment system as it pertains to the Northeastern Local School District. But let’s explore the system in a logical manner and you may judge for yourself if Open Enrollment is good for the district or not.
It is important to understand that those living in the district opposing Open Enrollment generally will fall into three categories: those who don’t understand the system, those who have been adversely affected by the system, or those who work in another school system which has been negatively affected by Open Enrollment.
Further, it is important to understand that Boards of Education make decisions based on financial facts and data, whether the program is mandated or not and any local state and federal laws pertaining to a particular issue. Emotion, misunderstanding and popularity cannot always be the guiding factor. What is popular may not be right and what is right may not be popular. Decisions are made with one basis in mind: “what is best for kids”. As we venture through this issue, please keep in mind that the board is making decisions based with this one premise in mind - what is best for kids.
It should also be kept in mind that my views on Open Enrollment may not be that of other board members. It will be necessary for the reader to get the views of other board members on this issue. Finally, I’m not going to cite a lot of data on Open Enrollment. In this article you will get a “common sense” approach to the issue while trying to show the purpose and benefit of the program. I encourage everyone to continue to learn about the program, ask questions, and seek better ways to properly control the misinformation being presented by many people.
What is Open Enrollment?
Open Enrollment is a program made available by the Legislature of the State of Ohio and implemented at the local level with the intent of providing a means for students in low performing schools to attend high performing schools in adjoining school districts for academic purposes without having to move into the adjoining district. Simply put, it is a system whereby public school districts would no longer have to charge tuition for students coming into the district from other districts. Also, with Open Enrollment, we now get full funding for children of our faculty, staff and administration, who used to come to our district “tuition free”. It is important to know that with each child coming into the district, we received at least $5,780.00, full funding from the State Legislature. In some cases more if the student falls within the guidelines of Title 1 or IDEA.
What is the history of Open Enrollment in the district?
We started the Open Enrollment process in the early 1990s’ when the process began. At the time, there was a great demand for students to come into the Northeastern Local School system due to our quality educational system. Like many districts throughout the state, we accepted the majority of students wishing to come into the district, but quickly found the need to “screen” students in various areas. These areas were in disciplinary issues, grade points, purpose for coming into the district and other areas. One main concern in the early part of the program was the students coming in to participate in sports, therefore “stealing” the positions from those local students who have gone through our educational system. This negative part of the program was quickly dealt with and strong emphasis was placed on educational needs of the incoming student.
During the mid-nineties, there were a lot of complaints about Open Enrollment. At the same time the district was trying to pass a Bond Issue Renewal and Operating Levy. The Board of Education kept the Bond Issue Renewal and the Operating Levy on the ballot after promising the voters we would place a moratorium on Open Enrollment as long as it would not negatively affect our financial situation. The voters passed the levies and the moratorium was put on any new students coming into the district on Open Enrollment. We did keep those students who were already in our system as they posed no increase in the overcrowded buildings.
As graduation began to erode those numbers of Open Enrollment students who were originally in our system, the number of students leaving the district on Open Enrollment and the number of students coming into the district began to equalize, therefore the dollars we were getting was equal to the dollars we were losing. Within a short time thereafter, the number of students leaving the district surpassed the number of students coming in. This caused a deficit in our financial picture, and a need to return to the voters for additional dollars. At the time, the sentiment for new Operating Levy was very negative. As a result, the board stated that if the public wouldn’t support an operating or PI Levy, we would have to re-implement Open Enrollment. The voters rejected the levy and the board reinstated Open Enrollment. Even though Open Enrollment was reinstated, the board and the Superintendent established guidelines to better control the influx of students into the district.
Why Open Enrollment?
As stated above, Open Enrollment began as a means of allowing students in low performing school districts to attend higher performing school districts which were adjacent to the low performing school district. This action by the State Legislature has been in existence since the 1990’s. Initially, the intent of the program was good, however, what the program allows and what people have been utilizing the Open Enrollment program for has been problematic and a source of misinformation. Many districts today view Open Enrollment as a “double edged” sword. It can be a financial benefit to a district or it can be a detriment to the financial side of a district. In either case, the program is here to stay, as dictated by the State Legislature, so it is important to understand it and work within the confines of the program. Simply put…..it is a money issue.
What is our situation?
The Northeastern Board of Education currently supports Open Enrollment. There are a select few districts in the state that is not under the provisions of the program due to the transient nature of their students. An example is a district which may be part of a military post in which many of their students come from military families who move around occasionally due to changed in duty assignments. Also, those districts located in an area of transient or migrant workers who are moving from one growing climate to another.
The Northeastern School District is one which is mandated as an Open Enrollment district and is required to submit to the processes of the Open Enrollment system. This means that we cannot stop students from leaving. We can only curtail those wishing to come into the system…in other words we can put a moratorium on incoming Open Enrollment students, but cannot impede on those who wish to leave.
As shown in the data above, we currently have 117 students who have chosen to leave the district for various reasons, and 211 students coming into the district. Doing the calculation, you would find that we net a grand total of $543,320 favorable funding. We use this money to hire additional teachers, purchase educational materials and to support the educational process of the incoming students as well as our own.
You may think that 211 students is overcrowding our schools, however, this is not the truth. When you understand that of these 211 incoming students, 117 will fill the vacancy left by those who have chosen to go to other districts. This nets a total of 94students who we will take to fill positions in classes not having many children.
Understanding that we have 5 buildings and 7 schools (2 high schools, 3 elementary schools and 2 middle schools) the average number of students in each building is 19 students, therefore finding space in a classroom is not difficult or overcrowding for a teacher or a building. The Principals of each school reviews their classroom totals, type of class and teacher workload annually to determine if they can accept Open Enrollment students. The Superintendent is notified and the process of filling the vacancies is started.
What is the selection process?
Each year Open Enrollment students, whether new applicants or return students, must apply to be considered for attending our district through Open Enrollment. Basically, the selection process is “first come, first serve” with provisions. First priority, by the contract, goes to those students who have parents employed by the Northeastern Local School District. Second priority are those students who have attended the previous year, reside in an adjacent district and are in “good standing “ with the district, that is no disciplinary action, no attendance problems, maintain an acceptable grade point average, and if there is space available. Third priority will come to those previous students from districts not adjacent to our district meeting the standards of discipline while at their previous school and if space is available. Final priority will be those “first time” Open Enrollment applicants.
Why is it a money issue and not an overcrowding issue?
Open Enrollment is not so much an overcrowding issue since the Principal and the teacher look at the numbers of students in a class to determine if there is space available. The district does not openly accept all students into the district. Each year we have over 300 or more students applying for Open Enrollment status. Taking each one would not only cause serious overcrowding problems, but serious disciplinary problems which we don’t need.
It is definitely a money issue considering the cost of teaching Open Enrollment students is far less than the $5780.00 each one brings in. In addition, they are bringing their local tax dollars with them as well. Just as those students who leave our district take the local share with them, we are getting full funding for those coming in. Also, consider the 94 additional students (211 less the 117 going out) we generate $543,320 from which we can hire 11 teachers at no cost to the district. There is no cost for additional rooms for 94 students,
Conclusion:
Like it or not, Open Enrollment is here to stay as far as allowing students to leave the district. Although, the board can place a moratorium on incoming students, it is not financially a wise decision. It is important that the people in the district look very hard at the process, how they are affected by incoming students and the impact the program has on the individual. It is time to get the facts and see how it affects you.
I would like to address this issue as viewed by a school board member who looks at issues from different perspectives, mainly fiscal responsibility to a district. Although there are many who will disagree with my views, when it comes to educating kids, it is all about financial responsibility, not necessarily popularity. I've always believed that my decision making is based on "what is right, not who is right".
As we digest this issue, there are certain facts that people should know. First, all of the money the district receives for a student goes with the student when the student uses Open Enrollment to go to another school district. Many think only the states' portion goes and the local portion stays in the district. This is not true. The entire amount is taken out of the district.
In Ohio the base formula has $5780 is allotted to each student, of which a percentage comes from the state and the difference from the local share. In the Northeastern Local district, the split is about 49% from the state and 51% from the local share. In dollars and cents it amounts to $2832 from the state and $2948 from our local share.
Open Enrollment was initiated as a means for students in poor performing district to take advantage of the educational opportunities in higher performing districts without having to move into the high performing district. At the outset, only district's adjoining one another could benefit from students from other districts. As an example, students in Northeastern could go to Clark-Shawnee through Open Enrollment, but could not go to Northwestern or Tecumseh because neither Northwestern nor Tecumseh adjoin Northeastern.
In the beginning, the intent of the program was good, however, what it allows has turned out differently. Unfortunately, today, Open Enrollment is used by those to take advantage of better athletic opportunities and/or other extra-curricular programs. The intent has been abused in some cases thereby causing many to be disgruntled and obviously angered by the program
In our district, Open Enrollment is a money issue that can be, and is, used to our advantage. Below, I have listed some data that will show the fiscal side of Open Enrollment:
OPEN ENROLLMENT…
$5780 per student leaving our district and coming into our district
2009-2010 school year there are 117 students going to other districts
2009-2010 school year there are 211 students coming into our district
$676,260 out of the district. 117 x $5780
$1,219,580 into the district. 211 x $5780
$543,320 net positive. 94 x $5780
Pro: hire 10 teachers with $543,320
Pro: no overcrowding in classroom
Pro: selective of incoming students
Pro: get $5780 for students of our faculty, staff and administrators
Pro: 10 new teachers hired are at no cost to the district
Con: cannot stop kids from leaving
Con: eliminating extra-curricular programs will drive more kids out of the district
Con: eliminating Open Enrollment will cost district $1,895,840 annually. (approx. 4-1/2 mills)
Con: stop Open Enrollment and eliminate 37 teaching positions
I have listed the Pro’s and Con’s of the Open Enrollment system as it pertains to the Northeastern Local School District. But let’s explore the system in a logical manner and you may judge for yourself if Open Enrollment is good for the district or not.
It is important to understand that those living in the district opposing Open Enrollment generally will fall into three categories: those who don’t understand the system, those who have been adversely affected by the system, or those who work in another school system which has been negatively affected by Open Enrollment.
Further, it is important to understand that Boards of Education make decisions based on financial facts and data, whether the program is mandated or not and any local state and federal laws pertaining to a particular issue. Emotion, misunderstanding and popularity cannot always be the guiding factor. What is popular may not be right and what is right may not be popular. Decisions are made with one basis in mind: “what is best for kids”. As we venture through this issue, please keep in mind that the board is making decisions based with this one premise in mind - what is best for kids.
It should also be kept in mind that my views on Open Enrollment may not be that of other board members. It will be necessary for the reader to get the views of other board members on this issue. Finally, I’m not going to cite a lot of data on Open Enrollment. In this article you will get a “common sense” approach to the issue while trying to show the purpose and benefit of the program. I encourage everyone to continue to learn about the program, ask questions, and seek better ways to properly control the misinformation being presented by many people.
What is Open Enrollment?
Open Enrollment is a program made available by the Legislature of the State of Ohio and implemented at the local level with the intent of providing a means for students in low performing schools to attend high performing schools in adjoining school districts for academic purposes without having to move into the adjoining district. Simply put, it is a system whereby public school districts would no longer have to charge tuition for students coming into the district from other districts. Also, with Open Enrollment, we now get full funding for children of our faculty, staff and administration, who used to come to our district “tuition free”. It is important to know that with each child coming into the district, we received at least $5,780.00, full funding from the State Legislature. In some cases more if the student falls within the guidelines of Title 1 or IDEA.
What is the history of Open Enrollment in the district?
We started the Open Enrollment process in the early 1990s’ when the process began. At the time, there was a great demand for students to come into the Northeastern Local School system due to our quality educational system. Like many districts throughout the state, we accepted the majority of students wishing to come into the district, but quickly found the need to “screen” students in various areas. These areas were in disciplinary issues, grade points, purpose for coming into the district and other areas. One main concern in the early part of the program was the students coming in to participate in sports, therefore “stealing” the positions from those local students who have gone through our educational system. This negative part of the program was quickly dealt with and strong emphasis was placed on educational needs of the incoming student.
During the mid-nineties, there were a lot of complaints about Open Enrollment. At the same time the district was trying to pass a Bond Issue Renewal and Operating Levy. The Board of Education kept the Bond Issue Renewal and the Operating Levy on the ballot after promising the voters we would place a moratorium on Open Enrollment as long as it would not negatively affect our financial situation. The voters passed the levies and the moratorium was put on any new students coming into the district on Open Enrollment. We did keep those students who were already in our system as they posed no increase in the overcrowded buildings.
As graduation began to erode those numbers of Open Enrollment students who were originally in our system, the number of students leaving the district on Open Enrollment and the number of students coming into the district began to equalize, therefore the dollars we were getting was equal to the dollars we were losing. Within a short time thereafter, the number of students leaving the district surpassed the number of students coming in. This caused a deficit in our financial picture, and a need to return to the voters for additional dollars. At the time, the sentiment for new Operating Levy was very negative. As a result, the board stated that if the public wouldn’t support an operating or PI Levy, we would have to re-implement Open Enrollment. The voters rejected the levy and the board reinstated Open Enrollment. Even though Open Enrollment was reinstated, the board and the Superintendent established guidelines to better control the influx of students into the district.
Why Open Enrollment?
As stated above, Open Enrollment began as a means of allowing students in low performing school districts to attend higher performing school districts which were adjacent to the low performing school district. This action by the State Legislature has been in existence since the 1990’s. Initially, the intent of the program was good, however, what the program allows and what people have been utilizing the Open Enrollment program for has been problematic and a source of misinformation. Many districts today view Open Enrollment as a “double edged” sword. It can be a financial benefit to a district or it can be a detriment to the financial side of a district. In either case, the program is here to stay, as dictated by the State Legislature, so it is important to understand it and work within the confines of the program. Simply put…..it is a money issue.
What is our situation?
The Northeastern Board of Education currently supports Open Enrollment. There are a select few districts in the state that is not under the provisions of the program due to the transient nature of their students. An example is a district which may be part of a military post in which many of their students come from military families who move around occasionally due to changed in duty assignments. Also, those districts located in an area of transient or migrant workers who are moving from one growing climate to another.
The Northeastern School District is one which is mandated as an Open Enrollment district and is required to submit to the processes of the Open Enrollment system. This means that we cannot stop students from leaving. We can only curtail those wishing to come into the system…in other words we can put a moratorium on incoming Open Enrollment students, but cannot impede on those who wish to leave.
As shown in the data above, we currently have 117 students who have chosen to leave the district for various reasons, and 211 students coming into the district. Doing the calculation, you would find that we net a grand total of $543,320 favorable funding. We use this money to hire additional teachers, purchase educational materials and to support the educational process of the incoming students as well as our own.
You may think that 211 students is overcrowding our schools, however, this is not the truth. When you understand that of these 211 incoming students, 117 will fill the vacancy left by those who have chosen to go to other districts. This nets a total of 94students who we will take to fill positions in classes not having many children.
Understanding that we have 5 buildings and 7 schools (2 high schools, 3 elementary schools and 2 middle schools) the average number of students in each building is 19 students, therefore finding space in a classroom is not difficult or overcrowding for a teacher or a building. The Principals of each school reviews their classroom totals, type of class and teacher workload annually to determine if they can accept Open Enrollment students. The Superintendent is notified and the process of filling the vacancies is started.
What is the selection process?
Each year Open Enrollment students, whether new applicants or return students, must apply to be considered for attending our district through Open Enrollment. Basically, the selection process is “first come, first serve” with provisions. First priority, by the contract, goes to those students who have parents employed by the Northeastern Local School District. Second priority are those students who have attended the previous year, reside in an adjacent district and are in “good standing “ with the district, that is no disciplinary action, no attendance problems, maintain an acceptable grade point average, and if there is space available. Third priority will come to those previous students from districts not adjacent to our district meeting the standards of discipline while at their previous school and if space is available. Final priority will be those “first time” Open Enrollment applicants.
Why is it a money issue and not an overcrowding issue?
Open Enrollment is not so much an overcrowding issue since the Principal and the teacher look at the numbers of students in a class to determine if there is space available. The district does not openly accept all students into the district. Each year we have over 300 or more students applying for Open Enrollment status. Taking each one would not only cause serious overcrowding problems, but serious disciplinary problems which we don’t need.
It is definitely a money issue considering the cost of teaching Open Enrollment students is far less than the $5780.00 each one brings in. In addition, they are bringing their local tax dollars with them as well. Just as those students who leave our district take the local share with them, we are getting full funding for those coming in. Also, consider the 94 additional students (211 less the 117 going out) we generate $543,320 from which we can hire 11 teachers at no cost to the district. There is no cost for additional rooms for 94 students,
Conclusion:
Like it or not, Open Enrollment is here to stay as far as allowing students to leave the district. Although, the board can place a moratorium on incoming students, it is not financially a wise decision. It is important that the people in the district look very hard at the process, how they are affected by incoming students and the impact the program has on the individual. It is time to get the facts and see how it affects you.
Saturday, May 8, 2010
Continued response to the May 5th article. Part 5
Once again, I come with responses to articles from the Springfield News-Sun concerning the Northeastern Local School District. These responses are from the article dated Friday, May 5, 2010 by Kermit Rowe, titled "Northeastern to seek voter approval for $58.9 million for new schools". Unlike previous comments and questions, I will respond to those that are legitimate and not redundant.
This series of comments appeared after my first 4 parts of responses.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"OH BOY, NOW THIS IS GETTING NUTS. NORTHEASTERN VOTERS JUST GOT STUCK WITH A $100 INCRESS ON OUR TAXES FOR THE LIBARY. NOW WE GET TO PAY ANOTHER $500 PER YEAR FOR THE SCHOOL. THAT MAKES THIS YEAR A WINNER WITH $600 PER YEAR ON HOME OWNER TAXES FOR OUR AREA.
CAN'T WAIT TO MOVE.
LARRY
10:48 AM, 5/8/2010"
LARRY: Thank you for your comment. You state the cost of the Library is $100 a year for the residents of Northeastern. The facts are that the cost is based on your property valuation, not a flat fee. If your property is valued at $100,000 the cost for new schools will be $240 a year. Please get your facts straight before making statements.
"The kids aren't in class in the middle of july. How are the classrooms "sweltering?" I graduated not too long ago and never remember it being unbearable. We are so spoiled. It's not about wanting better education for our kids, it's about the richies keeping up with the jones's. Fix what needs to be fixed and put the money where it IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED this time.I really don't think having both highschools in one is a good idea anyways. Can you imagine the rednecks against the preppies? lol
NO!
11:26 AM, 5/8/2010"
NO!: thank you for your comment. Who said students were "sweltering" in the middle of July? Did you attend our schools in the middle of July? I'm confused on the "richies keeping up with the Jones" statement. Also, please explain at the next board meeting how you feel the money is SUPPOSED TO BE USED. I really interested in your views. Finally, there is no plan to put both high schools into one. It is quite obvious that you are getting your information from misinformed sources.
"No- Aren't both high schools air conditioned? Maybe that is why you don't remember being miserable. The elementary/middle schools aren't!Students today start the school year in mid-August and from then until October the classrooms can get unbearable in the afternoons. In winter the rooms are usually too cold due to drafty windows and old heating systems.Then there is the cost of replacing old plumbing and leaking roofs.IMO putting huge amounts of money into these buildings is a waste.
For new schools
1:46 PM, 5/8/2010"
For new schools: thank you for your comment. Kenton Ridge is air conditioned except for the gymnasium. Northeastern has air conditioning in the gymnasium but not in the classrooms (unless a teacher brings their own air conditioner in. And only then it must be approved for safety reasons.) None of our other buildings are air conditioned. Thank you for your support.
"LMAO. Are you telling me that a new school that costs 58 million dollars will give my child a better education? I thought it was an educated teacher. Boy do I feel SILLY! I didn't know fresh paint and more bathrooms could teach my student so much! Maybe we should update what we have now. Not bull doze and rebuild. If you had some repairs needed in your home, Would you bulldoze or repair? Think about it, it makes sense.
NO
2:46 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: Again, I ask you to please get the facts on the issue. The $58 million dollars will pay for 4 new buildings and the renovation and redesign of Kenton Ridge. Not a bad deal now that you have the facts. That's about $12 million per building. In the end we will have educational facilities totaling $98 million dollars and it only costs us $240 a year. In your home you wouldn't have 700 kids flushing toilets, opening doors, walking through you home every day, and other wear and tear for the past 50 or 60 years.
"No no no,
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but would hope you could use it to help convince the state legislature to change how schools are funded.
VOTE YES!
JC
2:53 PM, 5/8/2010"
JC: thank you for this comment...and the other responses you've provided. I also thank you for coming to board meetings, asking questions, researching the facts yourself and determining the truth. Shortly, I will be starting another movement to get people to start discussing school funding with the same "excitement" they have toward our legislators as they have toward board members.
"I am a teacher in the NE district. I agree that having a new building will not make me a better teacher or make my students smarter. However, maybe I wouldn't have moldy ceiling tiles that smell bad and and cause allergies in my students and myself to flare up every Monday morning. Maybe we would have one than one sink in the girls restroom working. Maybe I would have more than 2 outlets in my classroom and not have extension cords strewn all over the room. Please come and visit our schools!!
teacher
3:09 PM, 5/8/2010"
teacher: thank you for your comment. But wouldn't a new building with the technology enhance your ability to teach better? I agree with the health and safety issues you mentioned, but with better tools, you can be more challenging to children. I do want to thank you for the work you are doing in educating children.
"Easy fix, Stop open enrollment. That might reduce the number of students at NE. And "if" this thing would pass, are the teachers going to get raises or pay cuts? Is it really about the kids or the staff and faculty? As in the teacher's comment, it was all about her. As like the rest of the comments on this page! (my allergies, I smell moldy ceilings)
NO
3:32 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: again, sir or madam, you are making this too easy for me. Again, get your facts together on Open Enrollment. I will be doing an article on Open Enrollment in my blog soon. If you are truly interested in the facts, you will get them from my blog or simply asking a question. I will be more than happy to explain. Then you can determine if I'm correct or not. There is no "easy fix" to the problems we face in funding our schools. If there was, it would have been done 16 years ago when the DeRolph decision was first made public. As to the "raises" or "pay cuts", you should know the difference between a bond issue, PI levy and Operating Levy. In case you don't: a bond issue can only be used for new construction and nothing else (check it out), a Permanent Improvement (PI) levy can only be used for maintenance and equipment with life expectancy of 5 years or more (check it out), finally, an Operating Levy can only be used for salaries and operating the buildings such as utilities and other expenses (check it out). This is a bond issue and cannot be used for raises or maintenance or anything except new buildings.
"No one answered my question about all the raises and benefits the teachers and board members are going to get. BS! I get a pay cut, My insurance premiums go up, Vacation gets cut, and these teachers get all the benefits and sit in the hilton I would be paying for. NO WAY! VOTE NO!
NO
4:04 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: here's your answer........see above! There is no money in this bond issue for raises or benefits! Board members receive $125 per month which is paid at the end of the year. As a board member, I received a check at the end of the year. My W-2 from the district shows I made $1625.00, of which Federal and State taxes, Social Security Tax and Medicare Tax were withheld, leaving a net total of 1316.51. That's my pay for being on the Board of Education. Calculate the hours a board member puts into the job, meetings, travel, time away from their family and see what value it has. Sorry you feel the way you do about education.
"I don't know what raises 4 teachers "NO" is referring to....The teachers are NOT getting a raise! This is the 3rd or 4th consecutive year that teachers in NELSD have not received a raise! I know as a teacher in the district I could go to Dublin City and make $10,000 a year more than what I make teaching in NELSD! If the issue doesn't pass, I'll be applying to a district where the community and parents actually RESPECT teachers & value the work we do.
NE Teacher
4:35 PM, 5/8/2010"
NE Teacher: thank you very much for your comment. Your comment is very true and needed to be stated. I hope NO understands this coming from you and not me.
"I don't believe that for a minute. There isn't an old beater car in the parking lot. Your not hurting for money, not in the least! And as for the hard work, I think having students come from study hall to grade your papers is giving you a break. As having kids wash your chalk boards and students clean their own desks, help the janitors with cleaning the lunchroom, and also help the cooks in the cafeteria. I love it when my kids tell me they had 20 extra minutes in class to do their homework.
NO
5:14 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: You really have no clue about schools and are making comments and accusations that are truly unfounded. While you are making these false statements, you are inciting others to your rhetoric, and on the other hand, there are those in our district who are embarrassed that uninformed people are allowed to make public comments that are blatant falsehoods.
"I am a woman, and I'm not lazy. I work every month of the year. I don't get to go on vacations in the summer, and I don't understand where your job is so much harder than mine. I will vote no, everytime, because this district is a JOKE! The money is never spent the way it is supposed to be and that has been proven so many times before. The teachers are pediphiles, and I have little respect for most of them. Klop was dating his wife while she was still in high school for God's sake. VOTE NO!
NO
7:54 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: no one has implied that you are lazy and don't work. There are many teachers that do not go on vacations in the summer. They spend their summer going after their Master's Degrees that are required to maintain their teaching certificate. Many work in summer educational programs in the county, many get part time jobs. Administrators seldom get more than a week vacation and they work year around. I personally think this district is anything but a JOKE. It is a great educational system that requires people to support it, but more importantly, it requires people to question the way it is run and then help to make it right. What is a JOKE is "classifying" our teachers as pedophiles. You know that is not correct. Sounds like you are getting a little upset because your arguments are being challenged by facts.
This series of comments appeared after my first 4 parts of responses.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"OH BOY, NOW THIS IS GETTING NUTS. NORTHEASTERN VOTERS JUST GOT STUCK WITH A $100 INCRESS ON OUR TAXES FOR THE LIBARY. NOW WE GET TO PAY ANOTHER $500 PER YEAR FOR THE SCHOOL. THAT MAKES THIS YEAR A WINNER WITH $600 PER YEAR ON HOME OWNER TAXES FOR OUR AREA.
CAN'T WAIT TO MOVE.
LARRY
10:48 AM, 5/8/2010"
LARRY: Thank you for your comment. You state the cost of the Library is $100 a year for the residents of Northeastern. The facts are that the cost is based on your property valuation, not a flat fee. If your property is valued at $100,000 the cost for new schools will be $240 a year. Please get your facts straight before making statements.
"The kids aren't in class in the middle of july. How are the classrooms "sweltering?" I graduated not too long ago and never remember it being unbearable. We are so spoiled. It's not about wanting better education for our kids, it's about the richies keeping up with the jones's. Fix what needs to be fixed and put the money where it IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED this time.I really don't think having both highschools in one is a good idea anyways. Can you imagine the rednecks against the preppies? lol
NO!
11:26 AM, 5/8/2010"
NO!: thank you for your comment. Who said students were "sweltering" in the middle of July? Did you attend our schools in the middle of July? I'm confused on the "richies keeping up with the Jones" statement. Also, please explain at the next board meeting how you feel the money is SUPPOSED TO BE USED. I really interested in your views. Finally, there is no plan to put both high schools into one. It is quite obvious that you are getting your information from misinformed sources.
"No- Aren't both high schools air conditioned? Maybe that is why you don't remember being miserable. The elementary/middle schools aren't!Students today start the school year in mid-August and from then until October the classrooms can get unbearable in the afternoons. In winter the rooms are usually too cold due to drafty windows and old heating systems.Then there is the cost of replacing old plumbing and leaking roofs.IMO putting huge amounts of money into these buildings is a waste.
For new schools
1:46 PM, 5/8/2010"
For new schools: thank you for your comment. Kenton Ridge is air conditioned except for the gymnasium. Northeastern has air conditioning in the gymnasium but not in the classrooms (unless a teacher brings their own air conditioner in. And only then it must be approved for safety reasons.) None of our other buildings are air conditioned. Thank you for your support.
"LMAO. Are you telling me that a new school that costs 58 million dollars will give my child a better education? I thought it was an educated teacher. Boy do I feel SILLY! I didn't know fresh paint and more bathrooms could teach my student so much! Maybe we should update what we have now. Not bull doze and rebuild. If you had some repairs needed in your home, Would you bulldoze or repair? Think about it, it makes sense.
NO
2:46 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: Again, I ask you to please get the facts on the issue. The $58 million dollars will pay for 4 new buildings and the renovation and redesign of Kenton Ridge. Not a bad deal now that you have the facts. That's about $12 million per building. In the end we will have educational facilities totaling $98 million dollars and it only costs us $240 a year. In your home you wouldn't have 700 kids flushing toilets, opening doors, walking through you home every day, and other wear and tear for the past 50 or 60 years.
"No no no,
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but would hope you could use it to help convince the state legislature to change how schools are funded.
VOTE YES!
JC
2:53 PM, 5/8/2010"
JC: thank you for this comment...and the other responses you've provided. I also thank you for coming to board meetings, asking questions, researching the facts yourself and determining the truth. Shortly, I will be starting another movement to get people to start discussing school funding with the same "excitement" they have toward our legislators as they have toward board members.
"I am a teacher in the NE district. I agree that having a new building will not make me a better teacher or make my students smarter. However, maybe I wouldn't have moldy ceiling tiles that smell bad and and cause allergies in my students and myself to flare up every Monday morning. Maybe we would have one than one sink in the girls restroom working. Maybe I would have more than 2 outlets in my classroom and not have extension cords strewn all over the room. Please come and visit our schools!!
teacher
3:09 PM, 5/8/2010"
teacher: thank you for your comment. But wouldn't a new building with the technology enhance your ability to teach better? I agree with the health and safety issues you mentioned, but with better tools, you can be more challenging to children. I do want to thank you for the work you are doing in educating children.
"Easy fix, Stop open enrollment. That might reduce the number of students at NE. And "if" this thing would pass, are the teachers going to get raises or pay cuts? Is it really about the kids or the staff and faculty? As in the teacher's comment, it was all about her. As like the rest of the comments on this page! (my allergies, I smell moldy ceilings)
NO
3:32 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: again, sir or madam, you are making this too easy for me. Again, get your facts together on Open Enrollment. I will be doing an article on Open Enrollment in my blog soon. If you are truly interested in the facts, you will get them from my blog or simply asking a question. I will be more than happy to explain. Then you can determine if I'm correct or not. There is no "easy fix" to the problems we face in funding our schools. If there was, it would have been done 16 years ago when the DeRolph decision was first made public. As to the "raises" or "pay cuts", you should know the difference between a bond issue, PI levy and Operating Levy. In case you don't: a bond issue can only be used for new construction and nothing else (check it out), a Permanent Improvement (PI) levy can only be used for maintenance and equipment with life expectancy of 5 years or more (check it out), finally, an Operating Levy can only be used for salaries and operating the buildings such as utilities and other expenses (check it out). This is a bond issue and cannot be used for raises or maintenance or anything except new buildings.
"No one answered my question about all the raises and benefits the teachers and board members are going to get. BS! I get a pay cut, My insurance premiums go up, Vacation gets cut, and these teachers get all the benefits and sit in the hilton I would be paying for. NO WAY! VOTE NO!
NO
4:04 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: here's your answer........see above! There is no money in this bond issue for raises or benefits! Board members receive $125 per month which is paid at the end of the year. As a board member, I received a check at the end of the year. My W-2 from the district shows I made $1625.00, of which Federal and State taxes, Social Security Tax and Medicare Tax were withheld, leaving a net total of 1316.51. That's my pay for being on the Board of Education. Calculate the hours a board member puts into the job, meetings, travel, time away from their family and see what value it has. Sorry you feel the way you do about education.
"I don't know what raises 4 teachers "NO" is referring to....The teachers are NOT getting a raise! This is the 3rd or 4th consecutive year that teachers in NELSD have not received a raise! I know as a teacher in the district I could go to Dublin City and make $10,000 a year more than what I make teaching in NELSD! If the issue doesn't pass, I'll be applying to a district where the community and parents actually RESPECT teachers & value the work we do.
NE Teacher
4:35 PM, 5/8/2010"
NE Teacher: thank you very much for your comment. Your comment is very true and needed to be stated. I hope NO understands this coming from you and not me.
"I don't believe that for a minute. There isn't an old beater car in the parking lot. Your not hurting for money, not in the least! And as for the hard work, I think having students come from study hall to grade your papers is giving you a break. As having kids wash your chalk boards and students clean their own desks, help the janitors with cleaning the lunchroom, and also help the cooks in the cafeteria. I love it when my kids tell me they had 20 extra minutes in class to do their homework.
NO
5:14 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: You really have no clue about schools and are making comments and accusations that are truly unfounded. While you are making these false statements, you are inciting others to your rhetoric, and on the other hand, there are those in our district who are embarrassed that uninformed people are allowed to make public comments that are blatant falsehoods.
"I am a woman, and I'm not lazy. I work every month of the year. I don't get to go on vacations in the summer, and I don't understand where your job is so much harder than mine. I will vote no, everytime, because this district is a JOKE! The money is never spent the way it is supposed to be and that has been proven so many times before. The teachers are pediphiles, and I have little respect for most of them. Klop was dating his wife while she was still in high school for God's sake. VOTE NO!
NO
7:54 PM, 5/8/2010"
NO: no one has implied that you are lazy and don't work. There are many teachers that do not go on vacations in the summer. They spend their summer going after their Master's Degrees that are required to maintain their teaching certificate. Many work in summer educational programs in the county, many get part time jobs. Administrators seldom get more than a week vacation and they work year around. I personally think this district is anything but a JOKE. It is a great educational system that requires people to support it, but more importantly, it requires people to question the way it is run and then help to make it right. What is a JOKE is "classifying" our teachers as pedophiles. You know that is not correct. Sounds like you are getting a little upset because your arguments are being challenged by facts.
Responses to May 5th article, Part 4
Once again, I come with responses to articles from the Springfield News-Sun concerning the Northeastern Local School District. These responses are from the article dated Friday, May 5, 2010 by Kermit Rowe, titled "Northeastern to seek voter approval for $58.9 million for new schools". Unlike previous comments and questions, I will respond to those that are legitimate and not redundant.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"NELSD you haven't given taxpayers any break! Just a new levy to deal with, first it was the Library, $46.20 per $100,000 of property value, then the Elderly United, $31.50 per $100,000 and now you are estimating my property tax will only increase by $270.00 or so? Give me a break, My income hasn't increased in over three years. I have no choice but to vote NO again. This country, state, city of Springfield is in poor shape. Where are the jobs? Not here!
Lulu51
9:16 PM, 5/7/2010"
Lulu51: thank you for your comment. I hate to say so, but we had nothing to do with the Library Levy or Elderly United Levy. Voters had a chance to vote NO, but opted to pass these levies which do nothing for your property valuation. Unlike you, my earnings haven't increased in 5 years! But, unlike you, I value the educational system in our district and its effect on our children and on my property valuation. You should check the voting record for the Northeastern Local School District. Even in good economic times, levies will generally take 4-6 tries before passing. You can find this on the website at www.nelsd.org
"I would like to encourage everyone to please visit Mr. Kadel's blog at www.nelsdschoolboardtruth.blogspot.com. Mr Kadel does a very good job at trying to respond to almost every post made on here. You will find all of your questions answered and addressed. Mr. Kadel shows honesty and integrity in his responses to others, and if he doesn't know the answer, he takes the time to research it and give you a special response. My thanks to Mr. Kadel for maintaining this very informative blog.
Marcia Rose
9:56 PM, 5/7/2010"
Marcia Rose: thank you for your comment. As long as people are interested in the truth, I will keep supplying the information.
"I would encourage everyone to attend any and if possible all future board meetings, ask for a tour of the buildings, perhaps DURING school hours, so that you can see what the kids and staff deal with daily - please get all the information you need to make an informed decision. New schools are so badly needed. Please take a good, long look at WHY we need to pass this levy and take advantage of the 40.4 Million that we would receive from the state.
Laura Harrison
10:16 PM, 5/7/2010"
Laura Harrison: thank you for your comment. Couldn't have said it better than you. I'm not asking people to believe me; only to check out what I am stating and make your mind up from there. At least get the facts, ask the questions and verify the answers.
"I'm with Laura, go SEE for yourself what's going on before you vote yes or no. Graham LSD whined their school wasn't structurally sound, wasn't safe for the kids. They got the taxpayers to fund a new school then moved their BOE staff into the old building that was allegedly not fit to be in *scratches head*. Now they're over $500k in the hole and want us to vote for another levy in the fall. Definitely scrutinize and investigate before you make your decision.
Falcon Supporter!!
2:04 AM, 5/8/2010"
Falcon Supporter!!: thank you for your comment. There is a big difference in buildings that are unfit for educating children and buildings used for offices. But I do agree that people should fulfill their obligation to question their school administration on the issues.
"I am helping people in my office get registered so we can all vote this thing down once and for all. Last time our office voted in a sold block--seven no votes. We hope to have three times that this time around.
No No No
9:00 AM, 5/8/2010"
No No No: thank you for your comment. My only request is that when they ask you why you are voting no, that you have the facts to support your decision. The only ones being hurt by this is the kids. Remember, your NO vote does not hurt board members any more than any other resident other than their property valuation and the opportunity to provide children a good education. It's not always about you.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"NELSD you haven't given taxpayers any break! Just a new levy to deal with, first it was the Library, $46.20 per $100,000 of property value, then the Elderly United, $31.50 per $100,000 and now you are estimating my property tax will only increase by $270.00 or so? Give me a break, My income hasn't increased in over three years. I have no choice but to vote NO again. This country, state, city of Springfield is in poor shape. Where are the jobs? Not here!
Lulu51
9:16 PM, 5/7/2010"
Lulu51: thank you for your comment. I hate to say so, but we had nothing to do with the Library Levy or Elderly United Levy. Voters had a chance to vote NO, but opted to pass these levies which do nothing for your property valuation. Unlike you, my earnings haven't increased in 5 years! But, unlike you, I value the educational system in our district and its effect on our children and on my property valuation. You should check the voting record for the Northeastern Local School District. Even in good economic times, levies will generally take 4-6 tries before passing. You can find this on the website at www.nelsd.org
"I would like to encourage everyone to please visit Mr. Kadel's blog at www.nelsdschoolboardtruth.blogspot.com. Mr Kadel does a very good job at trying to respond to almost every post made on here. You will find all of your questions answered and addressed. Mr. Kadel shows honesty and integrity in his responses to others, and if he doesn't know the answer, he takes the time to research it and give you a special response. My thanks to Mr. Kadel for maintaining this very informative blog.
Marcia Rose
9:56 PM, 5/7/2010"
Marcia Rose: thank you for your comment. As long as people are interested in the truth, I will keep supplying the information.
"I would encourage everyone to attend any and if possible all future board meetings, ask for a tour of the buildings, perhaps DURING school hours, so that you can see what the kids and staff deal with daily - please get all the information you need to make an informed decision. New schools are so badly needed. Please take a good, long look at WHY we need to pass this levy and take advantage of the 40.4 Million that we would receive from the state.
Laura Harrison
10:16 PM, 5/7/2010"
Laura Harrison: thank you for your comment. Couldn't have said it better than you. I'm not asking people to believe me; only to check out what I am stating and make your mind up from there. At least get the facts, ask the questions and verify the answers.
"I'm with Laura, go SEE for yourself what's going on before you vote yes or no. Graham LSD whined their school wasn't structurally sound, wasn't safe for the kids. They got the taxpayers to fund a new school then moved their BOE staff into the old building that was allegedly not fit to be in *scratches head*. Now they're over $500k in the hole and want us to vote for another levy in the fall. Definitely scrutinize and investigate before you make your decision.
Falcon Supporter!!
2:04 AM, 5/8/2010"
Falcon Supporter!!: thank you for your comment. There is a big difference in buildings that are unfit for educating children and buildings used for offices. But I do agree that people should fulfill their obligation to question their school administration on the issues.
"I am helping people in my office get registered so we can all vote this thing down once and for all. Last time our office voted in a sold block--seven no votes. We hope to have three times that this time around.
No No No
9:00 AM, 5/8/2010"
No No No: thank you for your comment. My only request is that when they ask you why you are voting no, that you have the facts to support your decision. The only ones being hurt by this is the kids. Remember, your NO vote does not hurt board members any more than any other resident other than their property valuation and the opportunity to provide children a good education. It's not always about you.
Friday, May 7, 2010
Responses to May 5th article: Part 3
Once again, I come with responses to articles from the Springfield News-Sun concerning the Northeastern Local School District. These responses are from the article dated Friday, May 5, 2010 by Kermit Rowe, titled "Northeastern to seek voter approval for $58.9 million for new schools". Unlike previous comments and questions, I will respond to those that are legitimate and not redundant.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"Have they ended open enrollment yet?
No? Well then sorry, I'm voting no again.
Have they taken a pay cut for all the top earners (80-100k/year)?
No? Well then sorry, I'm voting no again.
Have they ended Sports, extracurricular clubs, and any other nice-to-have but superfluous programs?
No? Well then sorry, I'm voting no again.
Crusty
4:36 PM, 5/7/2010"
Crusty: thank you for your comment. I will be writing an article on the Open Enrollment issue. Suffice at this time to say that doing away with Open Enrollment will cause us to lose about 18 teachers. Hopefully you'll understand why open enrollment is a money issue and not anything else. You need to understand the facts around open enrollment. Please don't rely on your neighbors to explain it. As for salaries, we do not pay the highest salary for our people. You can check out the data on the Ohio Department of Education website and also on the Ohio School Boards Association website. Do some comparisons. Also, understand what a typical day is like for a Treasurer and the Superintendent and the Principals. Very few people would never try to do their jobs.
"JC: Open enrollment brings in additional kids, yes. But none of that money they bring with them goes towards building new classrooms or other areas to house them.
We can't stop district kids from leaving the district anyway. We CAN stop non-district kids from entering and then needing additional capital resources.
I'm mandated to pay for my districts' kids education, not all these other kids that they recruit but then can't house.
Crusty
5:11 PM, 5/7/2010"
Crusty: Sir, you have this Open Enrollment issue all twisted around. First the money from Open Enrollment helps to offset the loss of revenue of those kids that leave the district. The additional kids that come into the district are screened to assure we do not get other district's problems. In addition the additional kids that come into our district are dispersed into buildings and classrooms where space is available. Finally, the additional kids allow us to hire 11 teachers at no cost to you!!!! Please understand the term FREE TEACHERS! Please sir, get your facts straight.
" help me understand the point here. a levy to build new schools is what i understand. but for what purpose. is it to provide the children a better education? there is no link between the quality of a child's education and the building the education takes place in.
there must be a secondary agenda. if you just would prefer a prettier building in your community or hope it may raise property values or whatever the purpose just say so but you cannot link it to a better education.
dana
6:26 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: You ask some good questions and then I don't know where you are coming from. There most definitely is a correlation between new schools and better education if the technology that is so important in today's and tomorrow's global economy is not feasible in the current buildings. You need to go through the buildings and see the infrastructure. The electrical outlets in Northeastern, South Vienna and Northridge buildings in insufficient to handle the computers and technology so badly needed. When these buildings were built in the early 50's and 60's there was no vision of computers like we have today. I know I was there! If you are telling me that new buildings that can allow the technology, design and environment is not conducive to educating children better, then I'm totally dumbfounded over your logic. Please consider going through our buildings, ask questions, see for yourself. At least have the common sense to see what the facts are before going to the polls. Then after you see what the situation is, then you can comment with facts and logic.
"Leaving a school in South Vienna, shortening the levy from 37 years to 28 years and dropping the income tax portion. This former no voter will now be voting yes. To the board, thank you for listening to the concerns of the community and making the changes needed to now hopefully getting this levy passed.
Marcia Rose
6:58 PM, 5/7/2010"
Marcia Rose: thank you for your comment and name. We worked hard on this plan after hearing from the voters and directing our issues with the Ohio School Facilities Commission. I appreciate your comment and support. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me through the board office.
"58,900,000.00 is alot of money. If you made 35,000.00 a year and paid every penny towards this agenda it would take you one thousand six hundred and eighty two years to pay this debt.
dana
6:55 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: you, personally don't have to pay the entire $58,900,000 back. That's the idea with the community. Let's say you have a home valued at $100,000. Your obligation would be $240 a year. If you are over 65 on the Homestead Act opportunity, you would pay about $180 a year. But let's say you will be paying $240 a year for 28 years. That amounts to $6,720!!! And your kids get new buildings with latest technology, and your property values will strengthen, and when more people move into the district your taxes for the new buildings will decrease because more people will be paying for the schools, and the best part is that you will have buildings that cost $99,000,000 and only have to pay $58,900,000!!!!!!!!!!! What a bargain....what a country.
"JC, we r about to vote fore the third time on what was a one shot deal.this story i
n Mr KADEL'S words says there might b a forth vote.shows me red flags everywhere. missleading and untruth r the same.Do u work fore NELSB or a co. the hired?
Dave
7:01 PM, 5/7/2010"
Dave: thank you for your comment. What I said was this is our last chance at the guaranteed funds. We can go on the ballot anytime, however there is no guarantee the funding will be available or if we would get the same amount from the OSFC. Failure of this levy would not guarantee us any money from the OSFC. If you are seeing "red flags" you should be attending the board meetings and raising them. That is your obligation as a voter. If you feel the board is misleading you then it is your obligation as a voter to bring this to the board's attention and redirect them. If you feel there is any untruth in what the board is saying, then it is your obligation to take action to bring the truth out. I will tell you that JC does not work for the school board or the district. He is an informed individual who comes to board meetings, asks questions, researches the issues and makes his own determination.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"Have they ended open enrollment yet?
No? Well then sorry, I'm voting no again.
Have they taken a pay cut for all the top earners (80-100k/year)?
No? Well then sorry, I'm voting no again.
Have they ended Sports, extracurricular clubs, and any other nice-to-have but superfluous programs?
No? Well then sorry, I'm voting no again.
Crusty
4:36 PM, 5/7/2010"
Crusty: thank you for your comment. I will be writing an article on the Open Enrollment issue. Suffice at this time to say that doing away with Open Enrollment will cause us to lose about 18 teachers. Hopefully you'll understand why open enrollment is a money issue and not anything else. You need to understand the facts around open enrollment. Please don't rely on your neighbors to explain it. As for salaries, we do not pay the highest salary for our people. You can check out the data on the Ohio Department of Education website and also on the Ohio School Boards Association website. Do some comparisons. Also, understand what a typical day is like for a Treasurer and the Superintendent and the Principals. Very few people would never try to do their jobs.
"JC: Open enrollment brings in additional kids, yes. But none of that money they bring with them goes towards building new classrooms or other areas to house them.
We can't stop district kids from leaving the district anyway. We CAN stop non-district kids from entering and then needing additional capital resources.
I'm mandated to pay for my districts' kids education, not all these other kids that they recruit but then can't house.
Crusty
5:11 PM, 5/7/2010"
Crusty: Sir, you have this Open Enrollment issue all twisted around. First the money from Open Enrollment helps to offset the loss of revenue of those kids that leave the district. The additional kids that come into the district are screened to assure we do not get other district's problems. In addition the additional kids that come into our district are dispersed into buildings and classrooms where space is available. Finally, the additional kids allow us to hire 11 teachers at no cost to you!!!! Please understand the term FREE TEACHERS! Please sir, get your facts straight.
" help me understand the point here. a levy to build new schools is what i understand. but for what purpose. is it to provide the children a better education? there is no link between the quality of a child's education and the building the education takes place in.
there must be a secondary agenda. if you just would prefer a prettier building in your community or hope it may raise property values or whatever the purpose just say so but you cannot link it to a better education.
dana
6:26 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: You ask some good questions and then I don't know where you are coming from. There most definitely is a correlation between new schools and better education if the technology that is so important in today's and tomorrow's global economy is not feasible in the current buildings. You need to go through the buildings and see the infrastructure. The electrical outlets in Northeastern, South Vienna and Northridge buildings in insufficient to handle the computers and technology so badly needed. When these buildings were built in the early 50's and 60's there was no vision of computers like we have today. I know I was there! If you are telling me that new buildings that can allow the technology, design and environment is not conducive to educating children better, then I'm totally dumbfounded over your logic. Please consider going through our buildings, ask questions, see for yourself. At least have the common sense to see what the facts are before going to the polls. Then after you see what the situation is, then you can comment with facts and logic.
"Leaving a school in South Vienna, shortening the levy from 37 years to 28 years and dropping the income tax portion. This former no voter will now be voting yes. To the board, thank you for listening to the concerns of the community and making the changes needed to now hopefully getting this levy passed.
Marcia Rose
6:58 PM, 5/7/2010"
Marcia Rose: thank you for your comment and name. We worked hard on this plan after hearing from the voters and directing our issues with the Ohio School Facilities Commission. I appreciate your comment and support. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me through the board office.
"58,900,000.00 is alot of money. If you made 35,000.00 a year and paid every penny towards this agenda it would take you one thousand six hundred and eighty two years to pay this debt.
dana
6:55 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: you, personally don't have to pay the entire $58,900,000 back. That's the idea with the community. Let's say you have a home valued at $100,000. Your obligation would be $240 a year. If you are over 65 on the Homestead Act opportunity, you would pay about $180 a year. But let's say you will be paying $240 a year for 28 years. That amounts to $6,720!!! And your kids get new buildings with latest technology, and your property values will strengthen, and when more people move into the district your taxes for the new buildings will decrease because more people will be paying for the schools, and the best part is that you will have buildings that cost $99,000,000 and only have to pay $58,900,000!!!!!!!!!!! What a bargain....what a country.
"JC, we r about to vote fore the third time on what was a one shot deal.this story i
n Mr KADEL'S words says there might b a forth vote.shows me red flags everywhere. missleading and untruth r the same.Do u work fore NELSB or a co. the hired?
Dave
7:01 PM, 5/7/2010"
Dave: thank you for your comment. What I said was this is our last chance at the guaranteed funds. We can go on the ballot anytime, however there is no guarantee the funding will be available or if we would get the same amount from the OSFC. Failure of this levy would not guarantee us any money from the OSFC. If you are seeing "red flags" you should be attending the board meetings and raising them. That is your obligation as a voter. If you feel the board is misleading you then it is your obligation as a voter to bring this to the board's attention and redirect them. If you feel there is any untruth in what the board is saying, then it is your obligation to take action to bring the truth out. I will tell you that JC does not work for the school board or the district. He is an informed individual who comes to board meetings, asks questions, researches the issues and makes his own determination.
Responses to comments in May 5th article: Part 2
Once again, I come with responses to articles from the Springfield News-Sun concerning the Northeastern Local School District. These responses are from the article dated Friday, May 5, 2010 by Kermit Rowe, titled "Northeastern to seek voter approval for $58.9 million for new schools". Unlike previous comments and questions, I will respond to those that are legitimate and not redundant.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"I will continue to Vote No! I can't afford any more taxes. I don't eat out, don't smoke, and don’t drink, so I have nothing else I can cut out of my budget. And if this passes (by some chance) I think the taxpayers should be able to have it put back on the ballot in November to have it revoked. If the schools can keep putting it back on the ballot then so should home owners. The voters have already spoken twice on this issue and they just keep wasting our money putting it back on.KEEP VOTING NO!
NE Resident
1:06 PM, 5/7/2010"
NE Resident: thank you for your comment. If this passes in August, I guess the voters can ask to put it back on the ballot, however there is a cost involved and it is greater than $240 a year. If it is worth it to you, I suggest you go to the board of elections and start the process. Once again, I encourage you to explain how we are wasting your money.
"If the northeastern board would check into some of the business in the district that are back on taxes like Tomorrow Stars campground and Beaver Valley campground that are thousand of dollars back in taxes, you could leave us alone. That's the trouble with the board you always want to stick it to the little people and not check into anything else.There are also kids that live at these campgrounds that there parents pay no taxes,how fair is that.MY VOTE IS NO NO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
NO means NO
1:11 PM, 5/7/2010"
NO means NO: thank you for your comment. First, the amount of back taxes by the businesses you mentioned would not be a drop in the bucket toward helping our buildings. Secondly, the voters have a right to vote. The board does not stand at the ballot box with a gun at anyone's head forcing them to vote. I resent the term "little people" because I am one. I work hard every day, earn a living and pay my taxes, just like you and everyone else. Like me, you have a choice at the ballot box.
"Look it is like this. You go to school to learn. It's not about sports and who can sport the most expensive clothes. The main objective of going to school has become a mockery. If you can afford to send your kid to school in Guess jeans and Nikes then you pay the levy. I will always vote no!!You folks keep saying that it's for the kids. Learning is free. You don't need funding for that. They gan teach kids and pay staff on the budget they have. sounds like they want fatter wallets.
Keep it real
1:20 PM, 5/7/2010"
Keep it real: thank you for your comment. I agree that learning is free, unfortunately the cost to teach is not. You need to understand the difference between a bond issue and operating levy. The bond issue is for new schools. The bond issue does not pay salaries, so there is no "fatter wallets". People have choices to make for their kids. I'm not about to tell anyone how to spend their money or dress their kids, that is their choice.
"We will be voting "NO"!!!! Homeowners are tired of always being the ones to pay the price for new schools etc. Until the district comes up with a fair and balanced answer for ALL residents to pay equally we will continue to vote "no".
Homeowner
1:30 PM, 5/7/2010"
Homeowner: thank you for your comment. I remember when I rented an apartment in the district, part of my rent payment was used to cover the taxes on the house. When the taxes increased...so did my rent. I didn't like it but it was also part of renting. I now own my home and I pay taxes. If I ever had any room or building to rent, you can bet I will have the taxes as part of the rent. That's common sense.
"Didn't Ted Strickland promise to fix this issue if elected govenor? Guess 4 years wasn't enough time to get to working on the problem. I don't want to pay out any more in taxes than I have to, but I will if it improves my community. How can Clark County expect to attract companies to the area when we don't have a strong school system? I will vote for the levy just as I have done before.
Bo
1:39 PM, 5/7/2010"
Bo: thank you for your comment. Yes, Gov. Strickland did promise to fix school funding. In fact he said if school funding didn't get fixed he would be considered a
failure as Governor. Guess what? It isn't fixed. He just added more money to a broken system and then applied unfunded mandates that takes the money away. I bet he will be voted in again by the "public school no voters" because they do not have the courage to face him and the legislature. I've been to Columbus and spoke with the Governor and the Legislature and they basically turned a deaf ear to me and other board member's from across the state. Bo, I appreciate the fact that you are seeing this properly. I am encouraged that you and others will do the right thing and start standing up for our educational system.
"JC sounds to me like you are either part of the school board or you are on there side, cause no matter what anybody says you stick up for the school board.Vote is still NO
NO means NO
1:49 PM, 5/7/2010"
NO means NO: thank you for your comment. JC is not on the board, to my knowledge. I am and have put my name on the line in these responses. It is obvious JC has either come to board meetings and asked questions, or has researched the issues or both. Upon reading many of JC's comments, I would guess he has done both since many of the responses he has are very similar to the responses the board gives to the many questions we get at board meeting. It might be beneficial if you would come and do some asking.
"Didn't we just vote for an elderly united levy, yet the retired people in the district don't want to pay for "our kids"?
parent
2:05 PM, 5/7/2010"
parent: thank you for your comment. Surprisingly, there are many retired senior citizens who support our schools! They realize the importance of schools to property values. What is disheartening is that there are many younger parents of voting age who will not register to vote and it is their kids who will benefit from new schools. By the way, thank you for your support.
"NO WAY will I vote for this levy my income is stretched the way it is. Thanks to SODDERS overvaluing houses in the area They have already taken enough in taxes. According to the county Clerk the value of my house is 35K more than what someone would purchase it for. The banks do not want to use the clerks appraisal as most are still otof line. NO on the levy and VOTE SODDERS OUT!!!!
NOWAY
2:27 PM, 5/7/2010"
NOWAY: thank you for your comment. So, if I understand this, you are blaming George Sodders for the problem with funding new schools? Therefore the kids will suffer, your property values will suffer. I understand the frustration of the voters, however, being part of the solution is to get behind a movement to get school funding corrected and don't stop until it is or a new state legislature is in place.
"If you can't feed them, DON'T breed them......
Others should not be paying for your kids.. It was YOUR decision to have them . It should be YOUR responsibility to provide for them.. Keep your irresponsibly procreating tax pandering hands out of my wallet.
That is all.
LOL my security words were. "hoodlum" and "setup"
Jackalope
2:29 PM, 5/7/2010"
Jackalope: thank you for your comment. I would like to thank those who helped to fund my education when I was in school in this district. I'm certain many people didn't have children, but they enjoy strong property values as a result of good schools and good education. I'm sure the kids I'm supporting, now that my kids are grown, educated and prospering as a result of a good education, will be productive if they can get the proper education.
"If I owned rental property in a school district with one of these unconstitutional levies on ballot, I would send a letter to all of my renters and let them know if it passes they would pay the cost of the tax increase on the property. Levies are based on the divide and conquer mentality. I talked to a renter that couldn't understand why a homeowner didn't want to pay additional tax for a new building. I say impose the tax on everyone then see if it passes. If it does then I would live with it.
dana
3:00 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: thank you for your comment. Sir, the school funding system is unconstitutional not the levies. If you had rental property, it stands to reason that you should increase the rent on your rentals to cover the increase in taxes. That is common sense. Please understand that renters do pay for their taxes indirectly through their rent. If the landlord wishes to absorb the tax increase, that is his choice, not the fault of the children.
"I already deceided to vote no, but after reading all the comments now I no for sure my vote is NO. We would be crazy to vote for something that is going to raise our taxes that much,especially on my fixed income.
like the no votes
3:40 PM, 5/7/2010"
like the no votes: thank you for your comment. First, be glad you are on a fixed income. There are many who aren't. They work and earn a living, however, in this economy their jobs may very well be in jeopardy. I am a good example. My hours were cut in half, including my pay from September until April, yet I support this because I know what it will do for my property values, it is good for the education of kids, and personally, if I can't find $20 a month, then I have bigger problems. At least those on fixed incomes know their financial picture and can do what needs to be done if they truly support the educational system which effects your property values.
"until you can convince me that there is a link between a new building and improved education (smarter kids) or that an old building makes kids dumber I will vote NO.
It is the primary responsibilty of the Board to provide a fruitful learning environment for children not to improve property values, attract business etc. This can be done successfully in whatever building you have available. Make due with what you have.
dana
4:00 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: Personally, sir, I don't think you would accept anyones reasons for a direct corralation between new schools and improved education for children. Between JC and myself, you've thrown many issues - many of which are unfounded, misinformed data and a complete unawareness of what is expected in today's market place. We no longer put lugnugs on trucks like we used to do. There are machines that do many of the jobs a person used to do. We live in a global market place that requires more than a 3-R education.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"I will continue to Vote No! I can't afford any more taxes. I don't eat out, don't smoke, and don’t drink, so I have nothing else I can cut out of my budget. And if this passes (by some chance) I think the taxpayers should be able to have it put back on the ballot in November to have it revoked. If the schools can keep putting it back on the ballot then so should home owners. The voters have already spoken twice on this issue and they just keep wasting our money putting it back on.KEEP VOTING NO!
NE Resident
1:06 PM, 5/7/2010"
NE Resident: thank you for your comment. If this passes in August, I guess the voters can ask to put it back on the ballot, however there is a cost involved and it is greater than $240 a year. If it is worth it to you, I suggest you go to the board of elections and start the process. Once again, I encourage you to explain how we are wasting your money.
"If the northeastern board would check into some of the business in the district that are back on taxes like Tomorrow Stars campground and Beaver Valley campground that are thousand of dollars back in taxes, you could leave us alone. That's the trouble with the board you always want to stick it to the little people and not check into anything else.There are also kids that live at these campgrounds that there parents pay no taxes,how fair is that.MY VOTE IS NO NO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
NO means NO
1:11 PM, 5/7/2010"
NO means NO: thank you for your comment. First, the amount of back taxes by the businesses you mentioned would not be a drop in the bucket toward helping our buildings. Secondly, the voters have a right to vote. The board does not stand at the ballot box with a gun at anyone's head forcing them to vote. I resent the term "little people" because I am one. I work hard every day, earn a living and pay my taxes, just like you and everyone else. Like me, you have a choice at the ballot box.
"Look it is like this. You go to school to learn. It's not about sports and who can sport the most expensive clothes. The main objective of going to school has become a mockery. If you can afford to send your kid to school in Guess jeans and Nikes then you pay the levy. I will always vote no!!You folks keep saying that it's for the kids. Learning is free. You don't need funding for that. They gan teach kids and pay staff on the budget they have. sounds like they want fatter wallets.
Keep it real
1:20 PM, 5/7/2010"
Keep it real: thank you for your comment. I agree that learning is free, unfortunately the cost to teach is not. You need to understand the difference between a bond issue and operating levy. The bond issue is for new schools. The bond issue does not pay salaries, so there is no "fatter wallets". People have choices to make for their kids. I'm not about to tell anyone how to spend their money or dress their kids, that is their choice.
"We will be voting "NO"!!!! Homeowners are tired of always being the ones to pay the price for new schools etc. Until the district comes up with a fair and balanced answer for ALL residents to pay equally we will continue to vote "no".
Homeowner
1:30 PM, 5/7/2010"
Homeowner: thank you for your comment. I remember when I rented an apartment in the district, part of my rent payment was used to cover the taxes on the house. When the taxes increased...so did my rent. I didn't like it but it was also part of renting. I now own my home and I pay taxes. If I ever had any room or building to rent, you can bet I will have the taxes as part of the rent. That's common sense.
"Didn't Ted Strickland promise to fix this issue if elected govenor? Guess 4 years wasn't enough time to get to working on the problem. I don't want to pay out any more in taxes than I have to, but I will if it improves my community. How can Clark County expect to attract companies to the area when we don't have a strong school system? I will vote for the levy just as I have done before.
Bo
1:39 PM, 5/7/2010"
Bo: thank you for your comment. Yes, Gov. Strickland did promise to fix school funding. In fact he said if school funding didn't get fixed he would be considered a
failure as Governor. Guess what? It isn't fixed. He just added more money to a broken system and then applied unfunded mandates that takes the money away. I bet he will be voted in again by the "public school no voters" because they do not have the courage to face him and the legislature. I've been to Columbus and spoke with the Governor and the Legislature and they basically turned a deaf ear to me and other board member's from across the state. Bo, I appreciate the fact that you are seeing this properly. I am encouraged that you and others will do the right thing and start standing up for our educational system.
"JC sounds to me like you are either part of the school board or you are on there side, cause no matter what anybody says you stick up for the school board.Vote is still NO
NO means NO
1:49 PM, 5/7/2010"
NO means NO: thank you for your comment. JC is not on the board, to my knowledge. I am and have put my name on the line in these responses. It is obvious JC has either come to board meetings and asked questions, or has researched the issues or both. Upon reading many of JC's comments, I would guess he has done both since many of the responses he has are very similar to the responses the board gives to the many questions we get at board meeting. It might be beneficial if you would come and do some asking.
"Didn't we just vote for an elderly united levy, yet the retired people in the district don't want to pay for "our kids"?
parent
2:05 PM, 5/7/2010"
parent: thank you for your comment. Surprisingly, there are many retired senior citizens who support our schools! They realize the importance of schools to property values. What is disheartening is that there are many younger parents of voting age who will not register to vote and it is their kids who will benefit from new schools. By the way, thank you for your support.
"NO WAY will I vote for this levy my income is stretched the way it is. Thanks to SODDERS overvaluing houses in the area They have already taken enough in taxes. According to the county Clerk the value of my house is 35K more than what someone would purchase it for. The banks do not want to use the clerks appraisal as most are still otof line. NO on the levy and VOTE SODDERS OUT!!!!
NOWAY
2:27 PM, 5/7/2010"
NOWAY: thank you for your comment. So, if I understand this, you are blaming George Sodders for the problem with funding new schools? Therefore the kids will suffer, your property values will suffer. I understand the frustration of the voters, however, being part of the solution is to get behind a movement to get school funding corrected and don't stop until it is or a new state legislature is in place.
"If you can't feed them, DON'T breed them......
Others should not be paying for your kids.. It was YOUR decision to have them . It should be YOUR responsibility to provide for them.. Keep your irresponsibly procreating tax pandering hands out of my wallet.
That is all.
LOL my security words were. "hoodlum" and "setup"
Jackalope
2:29 PM, 5/7/2010"
Jackalope: thank you for your comment. I would like to thank those who helped to fund my education when I was in school in this district. I'm certain many people didn't have children, but they enjoy strong property values as a result of good schools and good education. I'm sure the kids I'm supporting, now that my kids are grown, educated and prospering as a result of a good education, will be productive if they can get the proper education.
"If I owned rental property in a school district with one of these unconstitutional levies on ballot, I would send a letter to all of my renters and let them know if it passes they would pay the cost of the tax increase on the property. Levies are based on the divide and conquer mentality. I talked to a renter that couldn't understand why a homeowner didn't want to pay additional tax for a new building. I say impose the tax on everyone then see if it passes. If it does then I would live with it.
dana
3:00 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: thank you for your comment. Sir, the school funding system is unconstitutional not the levies. If you had rental property, it stands to reason that you should increase the rent on your rentals to cover the increase in taxes. That is common sense. Please understand that renters do pay for their taxes indirectly through their rent. If the landlord wishes to absorb the tax increase, that is his choice, not the fault of the children.
"I already deceided to vote no, but after reading all the comments now I no for sure my vote is NO. We would be crazy to vote for something that is going to raise our taxes that much,especially on my fixed income.
like the no votes
3:40 PM, 5/7/2010"
like the no votes: thank you for your comment. First, be glad you are on a fixed income. There are many who aren't. They work and earn a living, however, in this economy their jobs may very well be in jeopardy. I am a good example. My hours were cut in half, including my pay from September until April, yet I support this because I know what it will do for my property values, it is good for the education of kids, and personally, if I can't find $20 a month, then I have bigger problems. At least those on fixed incomes know their financial picture and can do what needs to be done if they truly support the educational system which effects your property values.
"until you can convince me that there is a link between a new building and improved education (smarter kids) or that an old building makes kids dumber I will vote NO.
It is the primary responsibilty of the Board to provide a fruitful learning environment for children not to improve property values, attract business etc. This can be done successfully in whatever building you have available. Make due with what you have.
dana
4:00 PM, 5/7/2010"
dana: Personally, sir, I don't think you would accept anyones reasons for a direct corralation between new schools and improved education for children. Between JC and myself, you've thrown many issues - many of which are unfounded, misinformed data and a complete unawareness of what is expected in today's market place. We no longer put lugnugs on trucks like we used to do. There are machines that do many of the jobs a person used to do. We live in a global market place that requires more than a 3-R education.
Responses to comments, May 5th article: part 1
Once again, I come with responses to articles from the Springfield News-Sun concerning the Northeastern Local School District. These responses are from the article dated Friday, May 5, 2010 by Kermit Rowe, titled "Northeastern to seek voter approval for $58.9 million for new schools". Unlike previous comments and questions, I will respond to those that are legitimate and not redundant.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"NO NO NO stop wasting our money asking for more $. Our district has aprroxamately a 34% forclosure rate. The rest of us who own property are on fixed incomes.(We actually work and pay our bills that is why they are fixed) Get rid of office staff that is double dipping and hire some college grads for 1/2 the price. Tighten your belts. Get it together or prepare to be voted out.
taxpayer
8:46 AM, 5/7/2010"
taxpayer: thank you for your comment. I cannot validate the 34% foreclosure rate in our district. I will respond to hiring college grads for 1/2 the price. I will assure you that there are no "some college grads" that will do the job as an administrator in our district for 1/2 the pay. Consider the education that is needed, the certification that is mandated by the Ohio Department of Education and the number of hours our administration works, the responsibility that is placed on them, the audits they must adhere to and other mandates too numerous to mention, I can guarantee you that their compensation is very adequate. FYI, the next election for board of education will be November 2011. There will be two seats up for vacancy. I am hoping your name will be on the ballot.
"If people were smart they would vote for this thing now. If it doesn't pass now, we will have to pay 100% later. The schools are falling apart, and are going to need replaced within the next 5-10 years anyway. I say we take the governments money and save about 40 million taxpayer dollars.
Think About It
8:50 AM, 5/7/2010"
Think About It: thank you for your comment. You are absolutely correct. This is a golden opportunity for the residents of the district. It is unfortunate that it has come at a bad time in our economy, however, the board has been given no choices. I do want to correct one point you are making. This is not "government" money (ie taxpayer money). This is coming from the tobacco settlement that each state received. It was the choice of the Governor and the State Legislature of each state to determine how the funds were to be used. Our Governor and State Legislature chose to put the money into building new schools. I do thank you for your support.
"Think about it where does the money from the state come from The taxpayers wake up and smell the coffee. The majority of taxpayers don't want this, the board, or the waste to continue.
taxpayer
9:06 AM, 5/7/2010"
taxpayer: thank you for your comment. As I mentioned above, the money is not tax money, unless you are thinking that the tobacco settlement came from those who smoke are taxpayers. The funds are not "state tax funds". You can verify this through the OSFC, Ohio Department of Education, Governor's office or your state representative.
"The longer this goes on the more it becomes clear. this is KADELS MONEY PIT. vote NO NO NO
dave
9:11 AM, 5/7/2010"
dave: thank you for your comment...I think. Now, Dave. You know better than this. I know you are smarter than to make a comment such as you just made. I'm not mad, just embarrassed that everyone in the county reads this and sees the type of thinking that goes on.
"Everyone says they are for the new schools but voter turn out shows something totally different. Only 2305 in this district cared enough to vote "YES" and the time before that 4126 cared enough to vote"YES",there is no suppose. The Clark County school system is too top heavy with "supers" and staff.
I vote everytime
9:18 AM, 5/7/2010"
I vote everytime: thank you for your comment. Actually, there is only one Superintendent for each of the seven school districts. I would suggest that you get with your board of education and administration and see what goes on in our schools. I thank you for at least voting. It is your obligation as an American and Citizen.
"Okay when is the school board going to realize that they are not going to get this to pass. Homeowners cannot continue to take the brunt of this. We are on a fixed income and worked hard for what we have. I am not paying more and suffer. And before anyone says it, I worked hard all my life and I am not giving up coffee, eating out...etc just to pay for your schools. Pay for your own kids, quit asking others to pay for them!!! NO IS NO!!!!
enough already
9:19 AM, 5/7/2010"
enough already: thank you for your comment. Thank you for setting the record straight on how you stand. Unfortunately in the State of Ohio, our school funding system is broken and the public blames the school boards instead of the state legislature and the Supreme Court. I'm thankful there are those who value education and their property values and can realize that the two compliment each other both positively and negatively. For you, sir, it's about you. For me, it's about the future of our children and my property value.
"Perhaps the NE Board missed the predictable results of other levies in the county on Tuesday. One in four are either unemployed or working part time and it is impossible for many to meet their mortgage payments, let alone pay higher taxes. In the Tecumseh district, our new buildings are beautiful, but they are ruining our financial health and we're in debt for several more generations just to pay our small share (27%), a much lower burden than NE faces. Each special election costs 15K!
Donnelsville Guy
9:37 AM, 5/7/2010"
Donnelsville Guy: thank you for your comment. Actually, I was surprised that the levies failed. There was no increase in taxes for either the NW or Greenon districts. Yet the Library Levy passed. Doesn't make sense that people would vote for something that does not strengthen their property values and reject something that has a direct influence on their property values. Your statistic of 1 in 4 are unemployed or working part time would suggest that we have 25% unemployment, when it is actually about 11.2%. Finally, it is a fact that the property values in the Tecumseh School district has increased since the new schools were built. Final fact, the cost of a special election is about $1000 per precinct. Check the number of precincts in your district and multiply that number by $1000 and you will arrive at the approximate cost of putting a levy on the ballot in a special election.
"To think about it, Where do you think any money the govt. gives comes from? Its not the tooth fairy or oil rigs, Its our tax money,and there is no more money coming in so there wont be any more going out.What they need to spend the money on is academics, not aesthetics. Hell they used to teach in one room schools with slate notepads. Fix whats there and shut down open enrollment, We're tired of parents shipping their kids to our school without paying taxes to help it.
Fed$
9:38 AM, 5/7/2010"
Fed$: than you for your comment. Again, the funding from the OSFC comes from the tobacco settlement and is not taxpayer money...unless you smoked or still do. I don't so to me it is not taxpayer money. Your comment about teaching in one room school rooms is true. We also used to do a lot of work that is now done by robots and computers. Who is going to make the robots and computers? Not the people who are educated in one room school houses. Seriously, you need to get a handle on how school are operated, especially the Open Enrollment issue. It's not what your neighbors are telling you about. Children who come into our district on Open Enrollment bring the entire $5780 with them, of which about 1/2 is property tax money from the district they came from! How about that.
"When is the NE school board going to understand? No means no. It doesn't matter how many times you ask and in how many different confusing ways. First, the old buildings can't be used, now they can? We need an income tax to pay for flooring and a gym, but now we don't need it? If the board had been honest in the first place about what was ACTUALLY NEEDED and not WANTED, the issue may have passed the first time. I WANT to support the district, but I NEED to be able to live on my fixed income.
no means no
10:27 AM, 5/7/2010"
no means no: thank you for your comment. It is confusing to those who don't have the correct information or not willing to be informed. As far as the income tax issue, we are not legally able to put on an income tax for the LFI's (locally funded initiatives) more than two times in a calendar year. Likewise we will not be building an extra gym or terazzo floors. I would encourage you to get the facts by asking the board or administration these questions letting us explain for you. You will get a different perspective of what the facts are.
"All these responses "When is the school board going to realize"...
I will add another one,When will the school board realize this community doesn't care about its kids , never has , never will.
Jet
11:23 AM, 5/7/2010"
Jet: thank you for your comment. Actually, it is not the entire community that doesn't care, it is only a few who are not informed or wish not to be informed. This is the purpose for this blog site.
"If this levy doesn't pass - I'll be "shipping" my kids to another school district - and take my tax dollars with me - this is how that works, you know.
open enrollment
12:32 PM, 5/7/2010"
open enrollment: thank you for your comment. you are correct. That's exactly how it works. Let's hope you stay in the district.
"The courts have already ruled it's constitutional and illegal for property taxes to be used to fund the schools. So who are the idiots, the ones that keep voting for the school levies? The state officials are never going to do their job of finding a different way to fund schools, when the taxpayers keep voting to fund the schools. We have to hold our ground and keep voting NO. I'm tired of my taxes going up. I'm already working 2 jobs; I will not be getting a 3rd job to pay for schools.VOTE NO!
NE Resident
12:47 PM, 5/7/2010"
NE Resident: thank you for your comment. Who are the idiots? I feel they are the ones who complain to boards of education members and won't question the representatives. It is the legislature that the people need to start questioning. As a board member, I've addressed this issue with our Representative many times over the past 16 years. My message continues to fall on deaf ears. Board members cannot do this by themselves. It will take the people to call, write, email, speak up at assemblies where Rep. Hackett, Rep. McGregor and Sen. Widener are. Unfortunately, I've found no one who is willing to do that. No one has any backbone to do what is right. They continue to confront the school boards. If you are serious about wanting to change, please contact me.....if you will.
"Fed$, you obviously don't understand open enrollment.When kids choose to come to this district from another district the money follows them, and the district they are leaving loses money. When a child leaves a district they take $5780 with them to the other district. Our district this past year had about 117+ which is nearly $700,000 a year leaving our district. If you want open enrollment to end you have to shut it down for all districts otherwise the district will lose a ton of money.
JC
12:49 PM, 5/7/2010"
JC: thank you for your comment. You are absolutely correct. Thank you.
"I predict that this will pass since it is the "Hail Mary" attempt and voters know that the state will not kick in if it loses this time. However, I will still vote against it as the district has done nothing to stem the flow of open enrollment students from SCS, harming that district. Building big new schools will result in a massive exodus from SCS and I cannot abide by this. The GOP's "School Choice" plan is a bad one, and this is how I can and will react to it.
Tomas
12:54 PM, 5/7/2010"
Tomas: thank you for your comment. I really wish people would get the facts about Open Enrollment. It is a money issue for school districts, nothing more. What it was intended for was good, what it allows is questionable, what it does for a district is purely financial gain or loss. I will be doing a blog on open enrollment soon. Hopefully you and other can get my perspective and then, as I encourage you to do, is to verify my facts.
As always, I am speaking on my behalf, not the board's. I recommend that the reader validate my statements so as to ascertain that I am responding with the truth.
"NO NO NO stop wasting our money asking for more $. Our district has aprroxamately a 34% forclosure rate. The rest of us who own property are on fixed incomes.(We actually work and pay our bills that is why they are fixed) Get rid of office staff that is double dipping and hire some college grads for 1/2 the price. Tighten your belts. Get it together or prepare to be voted out.
taxpayer
8:46 AM, 5/7/2010"
taxpayer: thank you for your comment. I cannot validate the 34% foreclosure rate in our district. I will respond to hiring college grads for 1/2 the price. I will assure you that there are no "some college grads" that will do the job as an administrator in our district for 1/2 the pay. Consider the education that is needed, the certification that is mandated by the Ohio Department of Education and the number of hours our administration works, the responsibility that is placed on them, the audits they must adhere to and other mandates too numerous to mention, I can guarantee you that their compensation is very adequate. FYI, the next election for board of education will be November 2011. There will be two seats up for vacancy. I am hoping your name will be on the ballot.
"If people were smart they would vote for this thing now. If it doesn't pass now, we will have to pay 100% later. The schools are falling apart, and are going to need replaced within the next 5-10 years anyway. I say we take the governments money and save about 40 million taxpayer dollars.
Think About It
8:50 AM, 5/7/2010"
Think About It: thank you for your comment. You are absolutely correct. This is a golden opportunity for the residents of the district. It is unfortunate that it has come at a bad time in our economy, however, the board has been given no choices. I do want to correct one point you are making. This is not "government" money (ie taxpayer money). This is coming from the tobacco settlement that each state received. It was the choice of the Governor and the State Legislature of each state to determine how the funds were to be used. Our Governor and State Legislature chose to put the money into building new schools. I do thank you for your support.
"Think about it where does the money from the state come from The taxpayers wake up and smell the coffee. The majority of taxpayers don't want this, the board, or the waste to continue.
taxpayer
9:06 AM, 5/7/2010"
taxpayer: thank you for your comment. As I mentioned above, the money is not tax money, unless you are thinking that the tobacco settlement came from those who smoke are taxpayers. The funds are not "state tax funds". You can verify this through the OSFC, Ohio Department of Education, Governor's office or your state representative.
"The longer this goes on the more it becomes clear. this is KADELS MONEY PIT. vote NO NO NO
dave
9:11 AM, 5/7/2010"
dave: thank you for your comment...I think. Now, Dave. You know better than this. I know you are smarter than to make a comment such as you just made. I'm not mad, just embarrassed that everyone in the county reads this and sees the type of thinking that goes on.
"Everyone says they are for the new schools but voter turn out shows something totally different. Only 2305 in this district cared enough to vote "YES" and the time before that 4126 cared enough to vote"YES",there is no suppose. The Clark County school system is too top heavy with "supers" and staff.
I vote everytime
9:18 AM, 5/7/2010"
I vote everytime: thank you for your comment. Actually, there is only one Superintendent for each of the seven school districts. I would suggest that you get with your board of education and administration and see what goes on in our schools. I thank you for at least voting. It is your obligation as an American and Citizen.
"Okay when is the school board going to realize that they are not going to get this to pass. Homeowners cannot continue to take the brunt of this. We are on a fixed income and worked hard for what we have. I am not paying more and suffer. And before anyone says it, I worked hard all my life and I am not giving up coffee, eating out...etc just to pay for your schools. Pay for your own kids, quit asking others to pay for them!!! NO IS NO!!!!
enough already
9:19 AM, 5/7/2010"
enough already: thank you for your comment. Thank you for setting the record straight on how you stand. Unfortunately in the State of Ohio, our school funding system is broken and the public blames the school boards instead of the state legislature and the Supreme Court. I'm thankful there are those who value education and their property values and can realize that the two compliment each other both positively and negatively. For you, sir, it's about you. For me, it's about the future of our children and my property value.
"Perhaps the NE Board missed the predictable results of other levies in the county on Tuesday. One in four are either unemployed or working part time and it is impossible for many to meet their mortgage payments, let alone pay higher taxes. In the Tecumseh district, our new buildings are beautiful, but they are ruining our financial health and we're in debt for several more generations just to pay our small share (27%), a much lower burden than NE faces. Each special election costs 15K!
Donnelsville Guy
9:37 AM, 5/7/2010"
Donnelsville Guy: thank you for your comment. Actually, I was surprised that the levies failed. There was no increase in taxes for either the NW or Greenon districts. Yet the Library Levy passed. Doesn't make sense that people would vote for something that does not strengthen their property values and reject something that has a direct influence on their property values. Your statistic of 1 in 4 are unemployed or working part time would suggest that we have 25% unemployment, when it is actually about 11.2%. Finally, it is a fact that the property values in the Tecumseh School district has increased since the new schools were built. Final fact, the cost of a special election is about $1000 per precinct. Check the number of precincts in your district and multiply that number by $1000 and you will arrive at the approximate cost of putting a levy on the ballot in a special election.
"To think about it, Where do you think any money the govt. gives comes from? Its not the tooth fairy or oil rigs, Its our tax money,and there is no more money coming in so there wont be any more going out.What they need to spend the money on is academics, not aesthetics. Hell they used to teach in one room schools with slate notepads. Fix whats there and shut down open enrollment, We're tired of parents shipping their kids to our school without paying taxes to help it.
Fed$
9:38 AM, 5/7/2010"
Fed$: than you for your comment. Again, the funding from the OSFC comes from the tobacco settlement and is not taxpayer money...unless you smoked or still do. I don't so to me it is not taxpayer money. Your comment about teaching in one room school rooms is true. We also used to do a lot of work that is now done by robots and computers. Who is going to make the robots and computers? Not the people who are educated in one room school houses. Seriously, you need to get a handle on how school are operated, especially the Open Enrollment issue. It's not what your neighbors are telling you about. Children who come into our district on Open Enrollment bring the entire $5780 with them, of which about 1/2 is property tax money from the district they came from! How about that.
"When is the NE school board going to understand? No means no. It doesn't matter how many times you ask and in how many different confusing ways. First, the old buildings can't be used, now they can? We need an income tax to pay for flooring and a gym, but now we don't need it? If the board had been honest in the first place about what was ACTUALLY NEEDED and not WANTED, the issue may have passed the first time. I WANT to support the district, but I NEED to be able to live on my fixed income.
no means no
10:27 AM, 5/7/2010"
no means no: thank you for your comment. It is confusing to those who don't have the correct information or not willing to be informed. As far as the income tax issue, we are not legally able to put on an income tax for the LFI's (locally funded initiatives) more than two times in a calendar year. Likewise we will not be building an extra gym or terazzo floors. I would encourage you to get the facts by asking the board or administration these questions letting us explain for you. You will get a different perspective of what the facts are.
"All these responses "When is the school board going to realize"...
I will add another one,When will the school board realize this community doesn't care about its kids , never has , never will.
Jet
11:23 AM, 5/7/2010"
Jet: thank you for your comment. Actually, it is not the entire community that doesn't care, it is only a few who are not informed or wish not to be informed. This is the purpose for this blog site.
"If this levy doesn't pass - I'll be "shipping" my kids to another school district - and take my tax dollars with me - this is how that works, you know.
open enrollment
12:32 PM, 5/7/2010"
open enrollment: thank you for your comment. you are correct. That's exactly how it works. Let's hope you stay in the district.
"The courts have already ruled it's constitutional and illegal for property taxes to be used to fund the schools. So who are the idiots, the ones that keep voting for the school levies? The state officials are never going to do their job of finding a different way to fund schools, when the taxpayers keep voting to fund the schools. We have to hold our ground and keep voting NO. I'm tired of my taxes going up. I'm already working 2 jobs; I will not be getting a 3rd job to pay for schools.VOTE NO!
NE Resident
12:47 PM, 5/7/2010"
NE Resident: thank you for your comment. Who are the idiots? I feel they are the ones who complain to boards of education members and won't question the representatives. It is the legislature that the people need to start questioning. As a board member, I've addressed this issue with our Representative many times over the past 16 years. My message continues to fall on deaf ears. Board members cannot do this by themselves. It will take the people to call, write, email, speak up at assemblies where Rep. Hackett, Rep. McGregor and Sen. Widener are. Unfortunately, I've found no one who is willing to do that. No one has any backbone to do what is right. They continue to confront the school boards. If you are serious about wanting to change, please contact me.....if you will.
"Fed$, you obviously don't understand open enrollment.When kids choose to come to this district from another district the money follows them, and the district they are leaving loses money. When a child leaves a district they take $5780 with them to the other district. Our district this past year had about 117+ which is nearly $700,000 a year leaving our district. If you want open enrollment to end you have to shut it down for all districts otherwise the district will lose a ton of money.
JC
12:49 PM, 5/7/2010"
JC: thank you for your comment. You are absolutely correct. Thank you.
"I predict that this will pass since it is the "Hail Mary" attempt and voters know that the state will not kick in if it loses this time. However, I will still vote against it as the district has done nothing to stem the flow of open enrollment students from SCS, harming that district. Building big new schools will result in a massive exodus from SCS and I cannot abide by this. The GOP's "School Choice" plan is a bad one, and this is how I can and will react to it.
Tomas
12:54 PM, 5/7/2010"
Tomas: thank you for your comment. I really wish people would get the facts about Open Enrollment. It is a money issue for school districts, nothing more. What it was intended for was good, what it allows is questionable, what it does for a district is purely financial gain or loss. I will be doing a blog on open enrollment soon. Hopefully you and other can get my perspective and then, as I encourage you to do, is to verify my facts.
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